Quit trying to turn FFXIV into Wow, peeps

[Snow_Princess]

And once again, there are words being put into my mouth that I never insinuated or even said, so the two people making assumptions about me, I will address you personally, because it seems you havethis …assumption about me. So allow me to correct you.



Starting with you, I never once made mention of my opinion on WoW. I actually think WoW is a rather good MMO, just not something I play because it’s not my cup of tea. You wanted my opinion, there it is, plain and simple. So in the future, please do not make such assumptions about something that I never said, nor implied. In fact, I mentioned at least once, I feel that what WoW is doing has made it successful, so good for Blizzard on that one. There are no strong opinions there. What I did say, and this is now the third time I am saying this, is that I’m tired of the complaints saying that we should copy-paste stuff from WoW because some of the features I’ve seen mentioned are done well in WoW. The key wording here is complaint. Here, let me underline it for you. Complaint.

In the future, please don’t presume my opinion unless I actually state it. I actually hate when people do that. By that way, that last sentence there – THAT is a strong opinion.

I was replying to you, but a bit indirectly. When we play wow, (might as well use that as an example) and we see it suffer less from input lag, having a single packet loss, see it have better UI, see it have better menus when buying gear, see it have better swimming, see it handle zoning better, see it have phasing faster, one might say, why can't FFXIV do xxx better when wow can do x y and z (esp when refering to a glamor log, something this game needs desperately) WoW is not the only game that has a glam log as well, so you may get tried of hearing the comparisons what you expect us to do? tunnel vision to this game only? then how would we know what improvements can be made and how if we do not see how other games handle things?

My personal example be FFXI, my first MNO, I felt it was weird when people said "wow is better you do not lose exp when you die". It just felt normal logic you lose exp for dying and thought the long grinds was simply normal. I did not really question it and thought wow was the outlier at first.

[Eli85]

So... if another game that players hate irrationally has a good feature that would benefit XIV, it should be ignored and shunned because it came from that game.

OP, I'm happy you're not on the XIV development team.

[Snow_Princess]

The key word in your statement is comparison. And I said I don't mind comparisons. I said I have an issue with complaints. Of course I want to see FFXIV improve. It has a lot of areas that desperately need improvement. It's just theconstant complaints I can't stand. I've stated that multiple times. I don't mind comparisons at all. If WoW or SWTOR or GW2 or Wildstar or hell, even DoTA or Smite has something that would be a good idea to somehow implement in FFXIV, I'd welcome it.

I know you didn't say this, but it isn't hypocrisy to want suggestions about things that could improve FFXIV, even if they are inspired by another game, but hate the complaints saying that this absolutely needs to be done. Best example that I can think of: look what happened with the hurricane situation. Many players requested it, and Square made it happen. There weren't really an overwhelming amount of complaints - players explained why. Are suggestions going to happen about game features? Maybe, maybe not. I dunno, maybe the title of this thread gives off the wrong impression of my thoughts.

Ya, sorry I simply do not get it, and people "putting words in your mouth" are likely doing so for the same reason. I never seen some complaint, comparison or suggestion of improvement to further make it into a "wow clone" For the hurricane, that was more for fair treatment, as they did it for japan and we has massive power outages and destruction from 3 hurricanes and Mexico was hit some local hurricane and an earthquake. It was a very fair request and had nothing to do with wow.

[TheCount]

It should, because right now WoW is outclassing FFXIV in just about every way except on story. The WoW story isn't even bad either it's just that it's on a more large scale instead of more personal. (Since wow does not have the story centering around a 'chosen one' kind of deal) I could go into detail but it's only going to start a flame war here and it's not hard to simply look up all the things added by the Legion expansion. Meanwhile FFXIV has a content drought going on for those wanting to gear up further because this patch adds absolutely 0 for them.

Needless to say though FFXIV would benefit immensely from some of the systems they added alone already. Take the keystone mythic system, it actually makes dungeons stay relevant and adds more challenge and variation to the runs. The whole dungeon system in FFXIV could use a rework though, just being able to teleport in and doing everything through roulettes (or just the one roulette) is not very engaging or rewarding, and it makes it feel disconnected with the world as well.

[Lilseph]

I don't think they are trying to turn XIV into WoW; but they can certainly borrow elements from each other, like all MMOs in the market. It's hard to "stay unique" when you have competition and some ideas might be risky. I do believe XIV has its own identity and really marked its place in the market, as it's praised by a lot of developers from other companies too. The job system, the way they handle raids, the crafting and gathering system, just to mention few things. XIV is its own game with its original ideas, but there's nothing wrong with getting inspired by other MMOs that did certain things that turned out to be great.

Just because there were a couple of threads suggesting these changes (Because WoW habe them), it doesn't mean that people want this game to become WoW. These ideas might change the game, and who knows, maybe make them even better than their competitor!

[Ilyrian]

In the future, please don’t presume my opinion unless I actually state it. I actually hate when people do that. By that way, that last sentence there – THAT is a strong opinion.

You created a thread entitled 'Quit trying to turn FFXIV in WoW'. Then continue to argue the point over 8+ pages. Either you are new to online forums or the internet in general – either way you seem far more interested in creating drama and bluster than seeing what others are telling you. On second thought you seem right at home on the forums - good luck with winning your war of mangled words.

[Ilyrian]

So basically what you're saying is that you assume that from the title alone, I am hating on WoW. So you run with that assumption.

Let's be clear on one thing, the only 'drama' that I've even gotten involved in are the people who are repeatedly said something that I did not once you - namely you, right now. I have seen the other posts, and they're fine posts. I'm bringing an issue to you right now, because I told you to stop saying something I never said, and even after I corrected myself on what I was attempting to say to another response, you continue to insinuate that I'm saying something that I'm not.

Maybe you should take your own advice and see what I have been saying. I am not knocking another game.

This is going nowhere. I'm calling you out for a stupid post – that's all. You disagree with that - cool.
Let's not waste our lives arguing about semantics that we clearly have a different understanding of.

[Ilyrian]

Agree to disagree? That's fine. It's taking away from the primary discussion at hand, anyhow.

Not exactly, no. But it'll have to do.

[Wizhard]

Trying to turn it into WoW? In case you haven't noticed it's ALREADY pretty much WoW-lite, from the re-release. So I'm not sure what you're trying to do here.
Complaints on an Internet forum?! What madness!

[TitaniaYaerem]

To be fair there are some things that WoW has implemented that make it successful and was brought over here and was able to cultivate this game even more so. Cross world PF for instance, WoW has had this system in place where FFXIV did not unless you did it the funky way in which you had people simultaneously queue for said duty and see if they popped at the same time(which this way wasn't very reliable, trust me we tried doing this by helping my friend get a clear in certain duties who was on a different server). All MMOs tend to take ideas from others MMOs to develop their own game, they snip out parts that weren't well recieved or maybe try to morph it into something better. That's what it is to invent in general, you borrow concepts and modify to make it better or something else entirely.