Dungeon Loot

[MrSmiley]

Clearly you dont remember Coils which never had tokens and still had a weekly lockout. Clearly you dont know much about crafting mats from EX primals.

You have to grind for your gear and there is no arbitrary number restriction that prevents you from doing the dungeon over again. All this is, is whining about having to do the dungeon multiple times to get your glamour gear.

Clearly you haven't realized they moved away from those forms of rng because they were terrible, which is why every newer version has attempted to have more drops or a failsafe "eventually get it" type of thing. Clearly you forgot the primal crafted stuff can be sold, even if at a high price, making it accessible with more than luck.


Old raids was my example of what was bad, then we have the current dungeons which for some reason have not evolved with everything else. The last chest in skallis has 14 different items, only one of which will drop. That is a 7% chance to see the desired drop, in a dungeon that is at least 20 minutes, then add queue time, especially for dps. This is also not high-end super special stuff, its just regular glamour. I don't know why you are fighting for one of the last "bad" drop systems in the game so hard. Nobody's asking to get everything in a single run or anything silly like that, just a better system to make dungeon glamour (which dps suffer the most from) somewhat more accessible.

[Mavrias]

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I'm not really a fan of things made easier to obtain for no reason. Nor am I a fan of threads essentially asking to give people reasons to unsub sooner, which as you might imagine would lead to a dying game. I could find a million threads asking for the savage lockout to be removed or the tome cap removed or just content to be made easier in general.

[MrSmiley]

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While I do agree with everything you just said, I also feel it does not apply to dungeon loot, which is a very casual part of the game. Looking at the current savage datalog system, it takes at least a month to get your guaranteed piece, which is just enough to fill out a set or make sure you actually get a few pieces during the raids main lifetime. The current dungeon loot system as it is, makes it extremely difficult for dps to get glamour they like, given long queues and low drops, even with no kind of lockout (and possibly competition). Its no wonder they are upset. I don't think some kind of dungeon loot adjustment would be without reason.

[Yatsurugi]

I'm not really a fan of things made easier to obtain for no reason. Nor am I a fan of threads essentially asking to give people reasons to unsub sooner, which as you might imagine would lead to a dying game.

How about fun? Grinding a dungeon dozens of time is not fun. If anything, that would make me unsub sooner. All this is doing is making me burn out quicker.

[Mavrias]

How about fun? Grinding a dungeon dozens of time is not fun. If anything, that would make me unsub sooner.

Then why are you doing it?

[Yatsurugi]

Then why are you doing it?

Why ask a question you already know the answer to? For the reward at the end.

Why do people grind MGP? Is it because they like the gold saucer mini games? No, not necessarily. They want the rewards you can buy with them. The difference is that the grind there is guaranteed to get you something and is less monotonous. While grinding dungeons, is the opposite.

[Mavrias]

Why ask a question you already know the answer to? For the reward at the end.

So the thing that makes it fun for you is chasing the reward but you dont want to actually chase the reward?

I'd link you to the mogstation but im on mobile and honestly don't feel like going through the effort to sass you that hard. Maybe later.

[Yatsurugi]

So the thing that makes it fun for you is chasing the reward but you dont want to actually chase the reward?

I'd link you to the mogstation but im on mobile and honestly don't feel like going through the effort to sass you that hard. Maybe later.

Maybe if I could actually eventually get the reward yeah. There's a chance of never getting the reward I'm chasing for. That's not exactly good design.
Everything else has a failsafe so you can eventually get the reward with enough effort. 99 totems for extreme primal mounts, savage books, tomes, and so on.

Not sure why you're defending this so hard when it's obvious improvements can be made. Just even adding another gear piece at the end like others have mentioned.

FFXIV isn't one of those Korean free to play MMOs that need to keep their players by locking stuff behind ridiculous grinds that can potentially never yield the reward they're looking for.

[Mavrias]

Maybe if I could actually eventually get the reward yeah. There's a chance of never getting the reward I'm chasing for. That's not exactly good design.
Everything else has a failsafe so you can eventually get the reward with enough effort. 99 totems for extreme primal mounts, savage books, tomes, and so on.

Not sure why you're defending this so hard when it's obvious improvements can be made. Just even adding another gear piece at the end like others have mentioned.

FFXIV isn't one of those Korean free to play MMOs that need to keep their players by locking stuff behind ridiculous grinds that can potentially never yield the reward they're looking for.

Nightmare, the ponies, 24man loot and gear all say "hi" primal dogs til at least 4.2 or 4.3 as well.

[Namida-Hikari]

We were talking about loots IN DUNGEONS, not in raids, not in Bahamut, not in Primal EX... IN DUNGEONS. Don't compare mounts, tokens for weapons or else with the dungeons loots. We had this in all 61-69 dungeons so we should have one random guaranteed loot in those Lv 70 dungeons as well. It's ok to farm for weapons, for mounts, for tokens. It's not to have no guaranteed loots in dungeons now that we have even more jobs than before and still ONE CHEST AT EACH BOSS.