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  1. #551
    Player
    TabrisOmbrelame's Avatar
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    Relnoria Thelysea
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    So we got a différence near 7-8 time of efficacity in favor for the War, even with the low cooldown of the DRK the comparison is nothing more than the best joke ever we can make at least 6 TBN for 1 Buff of the war, And for calculation even with the low cooldown we can protect 30k damage MAX but the war up this near 40k (More than 30% difference, and i don't talk about the fact that we absorb 5k damage for just one person on a Aoe damage if we use it for this)


    Let's make an other comparison of the skill :

    DRK / WAR

    Target : 1 / Everyone
    Quantity : 10% Max HP / 8% Max HP
    Cooldown : 15 Sec / 90 Sec
    Duration : 5 Sec / 15 Sec

    See the problem ?

    I just have a question for finishing this :

    How can you explain that both the WAR and the DRK have a mitigation CD of 30% Damage but the WAR got a counter on it and it's 60 seconde less long for recharge ? You have 4 hours xD
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  2. #552
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    Chrono_Rising's Avatar
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Updated, It appears the warrior shield only scales off the hp of the player shielded and not the warrior's HP. Meaning the benefits mentioned below are only for the warrior.

    Assuming this off the warriors max HP, but as a later comment mentions it doesn't specify this, and so this may only concern the warriors shield. This is particularly powerful if during a down time the warrior can go into tank stance and raise their maximum hp by 25%, making it equivalent to a 10% base increasing by 5% for each buff consumed compared to the hp on a dark knight if my assumptions are correct.

    If a dark knight has x HP and a warrior also has x hp in dps stance then in tank stance the warrior will have 1.25x HP. If the warrior converts "n" buffs then they gain .04n mitigation with a .08 base multiplier. (.08+.04n)*1.25x=(.10+.05n)x

    Meaning that if this turns out to be correct the shield could be anywhere between an 8% shield to 30% aoe version of the dark knight HP shield. 8% at the low end with no buff consumed out of tank stance, 30% in tank stance with all buffs consumed (likely never going to happen). Which translates at max gear to be between 4.4k shield to a 17k shield with a 15 second duration.

    I also wonder about the interaction between this and TOB. Like if this will capture ToB hp or if it will consider the buff consumed first and use the base hp of the warrior, if it catches the ToB HP then that upper % is more like 36%.

    We will have to see if it will actually work this way with tank stance and if it has such synergy with ToB. Of course we have the "tank stance issue" but the really useful times for this would be during 10 second intervals when nothing is targetable on the field so that there is no dps loss.
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    Last edited by Chrono_Rising; 10-10-2017 at 09:58 PM. Reason: Updated Info

  3. #553
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    Alphras's Avatar
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    Rojer Alphras
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    As it reads at the moment, the new Shake It Off is based on the targets max hp and not the Warriors.

    Edit: Where does the idea that the barrier is based on the Warriors max hp even come from?
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    Last edited by Alphras; 10-07-2017 at 09:49 AM.

  4. #554
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    Chrono_Rising's Avatar
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Alphras View Post
    As it reads at the moment, the new Shake It Off is based on the targets max hp and not the Warriors.

    Edit: Where does the idea that the barrier is based on the Warriors max hp even come from?
    You are right, I read the notes and it doesn't appear to say whose maximum hp, target or warrior. I eddited in a disclaimer in my original post.

    The effect "removes most all detrimental effects" has been changed to "creates a barrier around self and all nearby party members that absorbs damage totaling 8% of maximum HP." Dispels Thrill of Battle, Inner Beast, Vengeance, and Raw Intuition, increasing damage absorbed by 4% for each effect removed. Duration: 15s
    Recast time increased from 60 to 90 seconds.
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    Last edited by Chrono_Rising; 10-07-2017 at 10:05 AM.

  5. #555
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    Tegernako's Avatar
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    Crusina Luachra
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by 347SPECTRE View Post
    *Sees lack of DRK changes in patch notes*
    Hello darkness my old friend...............
    The price we pay for having the best job quests I guess /s
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    Halo kid

  6. #556
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    Mekhana's Avatar
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    Mekhana Souther
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tegernako View Post
    The price we pay for having the best job quests I guess /s
    Only the ~50 chain was good. Most of the job quests suffer that it is more about the NPCs than yourself. That was the exception.
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  7. #557
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    WhyAmIHere's Avatar
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    Mute Shellback
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    Behemoth
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
    You are right, I read the notes and it doesn't appear to say whose maximum hp, target or warrior. I eddited in a disclaimer in my original post.

    The effect "removes most all detrimental effects" has been changed to "creates a barrier around self and all nearby party members that absorbs damage totaling 8% of maximum HP." Dispels Thrill of Battle, Inner Beast, Vengeance, and Raw Intuition, increasing damage absorbed by 4% for each effect removed. Duration: 15s
    Recast time increased from 60 to 90 seconds.
    Valid concern, though it does read as if it's using the WAR's HP
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  8. #558
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    InfiniDragon's Avatar
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    Blake Farrence
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mekhana View Post
    Only the ~50 chain was good. Most of the job quests suffer that it is more about the NPCs than yourself. That was the exception.
    Uh no, the 60-70 job quest is fantastic. And very much about your character once the other shoe drops in the last quest.
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  9. #559
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    TanukiSoba's Avatar
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    Elza Veyssiere
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    Ridill
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 79
    Greetings!
    About the 4.1 patch, it seems that debate has not progressed much in the DRK's thread of the Japanese forum. (Im japanese player )

    With the 4.1 patch, the whole barrier is added to the WAR.
    And nothing is added/buff to the DRK.

    I thought that it was necessary to Buff WAR and DRK at the same time.
    Because, If only Buff either one, the other becomes useless.

    What do u think about?

    *Sorry not good at English. Using translation website*
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  10. #560
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    WhyAmIHere's Avatar
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    Mute Shellback
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    Behemoth
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TanukiSoba View Post
    Greetings!
    About the 4.1 patch, it seems that debate has not progressed much in the DRK's thread of the Japanese forum. (Im japanese player )

    With the 4.1 patch, the whole barrier is added to the WAR.
    And nothing is added/buff to the DRK.

    I thought that it was necessary to Buff WAR and DRK at the same time.
    Because, If only Buff either one, the other becomes useless.

    What do u think about?

    *Sorry not good at English. Using translation website*
    Good translator.
    What is the opinion over on the JP-side of things about how DRK is being ignored?
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