DRK Consolidated Feedback Thread

[SyzzleSpark]

just how reliable is FFLogs in seeing how many people are still taking DRK into content?

Hard for me to say specifically. But just from a cursory look across the last day, last week, last 2 weeks, across the percentiles and including patch 4.1, it looks like the ratio of DRK:WAR:PLD in terms of the number of logs is pretty telling. The following is for Omega Savage, all bosses.

1 day
WAR 2034
PLD 2479
DRK 1192

1 week
WAR 11181
PLD 14110
DRK 7609

2 weeks
WAR 25882
PLD 34297
DRK 19934

Average all those together and you get
WAR: 13032
PLD: 16962
DRK: 9578

That is about a 3:4:5 ratio between DRK:WAR:PLD, meaning WAR is about 25% more common than DRK, and PLD about 20% more common than WAR. And 4.1 is still very young, Ultimate isn't even out yet... barring 4.15 buffs to DRK I think if I crunch these same numbers in oh... say, a month, we'll see a ratio probably more like 2:5:6/DRK:WAR:PLD.

[Crater]

The numbers for Shinryu are probably most telling; DRK has an 'advantage' in clear statistics for Omega since people used it for prog and many groups just stick with their prog strategy/compositions.

Right now PLD and WAR are the #1 and #2 most popular classes for Shinryu clears, with DRK sitting at about half the clears of either, which is a pretty piss-poor showing considering that Shinryu is actually a really "good" DRK fight with plenty of opportunity to use Dark Mind.

[SyzzleSpark]

The numbers for Shinryu are probably most telling; DRK has an 'advantage' in clear statistics for Omega since people used it for prog and many groups just stick with their prog strategy/compositions.

Right now PLD and WAR are the #1 and #2 most popular classes for Shinryu clears, with DRK sitting at about half the clears of either, which is a pretty piss-poor showing considering that Shinryu is actually a really "good" DRK fight with plenty of opportunity to use Dark Mind.

The numbers you're referring to, for additional impact:

Warrior 170
Paladin 191
Dark Knight 87

Christ, that is awful.

[SyzzleSpark]

Sorry for the double post, but I noticed the trend isn't slowing down:

The numbers for Shinryu are probably most telling; DRK has an 'advantage' in clear statistics for Omega since people used it for prog and many groups just stick with their prog strategy/compositions.

Right now PLD and WAR are the #1 and #2 most popular classes for Shinryu clears, with DRK sitting at about half the clears of either, which is a pretty piss-poor showing considering that Shinryu is actually a really "good" DRK fight with plenty of opportunity to use Dark Mind.

The numbers you're referring to, for additional impact:

Warrior 170
Paladin 191
Dark Knight 87

Christ, that is awful.

Here's Syz with the weather! -Update to the FFXIV Tank Usage forecast:

Shinryu - 1 week:
*****
|Class|----------|DPS|-----|Max|----|Parses|
Warrior---------2,837.4---3,342.6----1,104
Paladin---------2,736.2---3,310.5----1,332
Dark Knight----2,630.4---3,213.4----523

Less than half the usage of WAR and just a shade over a 1/3rd the usage of PLD.

[Chrono_Rising]

I agree, the Shinryu clear statistics match well with the 1 day clear history for Dark Knight after patch 4.1. It’s pretty clear that about half of the dark knights left or switched to war.

And why wouldn’t they switch? Free party shields on both warrior and paladin, paladin at max gear blocks for 26% of damage (this is nearly a shadow wall for 1 attack every 22 seconds with a chance to just passively block every attack), and both bring higher overall dps. Dark Knight just doesn’t make sense as part of a raid right now, I’m surprised more people haven't switched.

[SplittingSkies]

Dark Knight just doesn’t make sense as part of a raid right now, I’m surprised more people haven't switched.

Hi Hi o/
I'm one of those people who haven't switched yet, and I think some of that can be put down to the fact that obviously, there are still some groups out there that don't follow the speed run meta religiously.
A lot of minorities are the ones who say "Play what you enjoy." or there some out there that don't want SE to think DRK has been completely snuffed out and everyone else is in favor of the other two.

[Chrono_Rising]

Hi Hi o/
I'm one of those people who haven't switched yet, and I think some of that can be put down to the fact that obviously, there are still some groups out there that don't follow the speed run meta religiously.
A lot of minorities are the ones who say "Play what you enjoy." or there some out there that don't want SE to think DRK has been completely snuffed out and everyone else is in favor of the other two.

Hi, I’m one of the people who was asked to switch despite what I enjoy. However, I would not ask people to switch, but at this point I would have switched just from the lack of attention the job gets now.

[Aana]

There's no point in switching to PLD unless you speedrun, and speedrunners are really minority in the community. DPS meta will really make the biggest difference in the party vs tank meta, better to switch to PLD if your group speedruns AND already has the god comp. Any casual to midcore group without the DPS meta that asks you to switch from a tank class you enjoy should really take a good look in the mirror first.

This so much.

Maybe I've just been fortunate. My group has never forced anyone to switch. In the past weve run 2x Brd+Nin No str melees. Ive been running as War throughout regardless of its status (2.0 shit version up till now). The only time we force anyone to switch is to maintain 2 tank, 2 heal, 1 melee, 1 ranged support, 2 anyDPS. We all play what we like, regardless of the balance because we realize that no minor (and lets keep some perspective, balance issues in this game are comparatively minor vs other games. People like to say 'unplayable' but that's honest hyperbole. All classes can clear content without excessive burdon. Just not speed clear/world 1st true balance). And some of our setups have been truly bad lol. Yet we still clear content. Everyone gets their dreadwyrm before echo. Were on track to also get V4 down this cycle. Maybe we could have made it a week earlier for bahamut 2 years ago. Whooptie friggin do. It gets done. You get your shinies. And you can enjoy it too without being under the heel of some arbitrary dumb meta.

I would never recommend changing jobs based on current balance. Play what you love. Master it so it doesn't matter. I suppose that's just my oldschool thinking. Keeping up every couple months with the current bandwagon balance changes is just silly imo. Between FFXI, StarCraft, League, dungeon crawlers, or whatever else ive played over the years, I find it much more satisfying to play what you actually enjoy instead of chasing the meta all over the place. Just because the pros do something doesn't mean you have to do it that way. You can be entirely successful at the regular level of play and play the style you enjoy without worrying about who gets 2% more this or 3% less that.

Just because things need to change doesn't mean you need to abandon the play you find fun. This isnt beastmaster in FFXI or something that is literally 'unplayable' for many events no matter how hard you try. The buff cycle comes and goes. Youll be on top and bottom and in the middle, but as long as they are all playable (within reason) then just do what you like. Screw what some gamer pro that spends the entire week doing speed runs to rank on the Logs List does. Doing 5% less damage or whatever doesn't ruin the game unless you let it.

[Eliroth-Kaminari]

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17...=2&class=Tanks
Deltascape clears after 4.1
WAR:4,247
PLD:5,240
DRK:2,753

i love when my prediction come true. Tho this time i wish they didnt.

[Zero_Griever]

Raid wise i'm more familiar with Dark Knight.

I can tell Warrior has a lot more upside.

For all other content, I am using Warrior.