4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[HyoMinPark]

Sadly I can hardly agree with this statement, considering the majority of players will not be able to access this "content" at all.

While I disagree with the housing shortage, it is still content being added to the game. SE could have very well chosen not to add any new housing wards at all. It is also worth noting that Shirogane will include apartments, and while they are not a substitute to housing or instanced housing, they are still content. To say they aren't is incorrect, in my opinion.

[Yokotsune]

While I disagree with the housing shortage, it is still content being added to the game. SE could have very well chosen not to add any new housing wards at all. It is also worth noting that Shirogane will include apartments, and while they are not a substitute to housing or instanced housing, they are still content. To say they aren't is incorrect, in my opinion.

Yeah... its just content thats gated by your ability to produce gil in game. That counts as content equivalent to... idk a dungeon... or new recipes or anything actually new that the Devs are paid to come up with. They should just come up with a list of new cash shop items and that would be considered "content" but its only gated by your ability to shill 20$. Now the content that's actually supposed to give you value for your sub, is 100% lacking.

[HyoMinPark]

Yeah... its just content thats gated by your ability to produce gil in game. That counts as content equivalent to... idk a dungeon... or new recipes or anything actually new that the Devs are paid to come up with. They should just come up with a list of new cash shop items and that would be considered "content" but its only gated by your ability to shill 20$. Now the content that's actually supposed to give you value for your sub, is 100% lacking.

I wouldn’t really say it’s gated behind making gil—gil isn’t that hard to make. It’s gated more behind lack of housing due to SE’s stubbornness to shift away from wards and towards instanced housing that everyone can access. Crafting recipes are gated behind desire to level crafters; same with gathering. PVP is locked behind one’s desire to do the content. Just because they’re “gated” behind money or desire doesn’t make them any less content than other things like dungeons or MSQ.

Value is a subjective measure. Some people don’t care about the battle aspect of this game and would rather craft/gather, but I don’t see them in this thread trying to say that the new Housing Wards or Ultimate Savage arent “content” just because they don’t see the value in them.

[Remedi]

Value is a subjective measure. Some people don’t care about the battle aspect of this game and would rather craft/gather, but I don’t see them in this thread trying to say that the new Housing Wards or Ultimate Savage arent “content” just because they don’t see the value in them.

Honestly crafting and gathering aficionados are the most shafted players atm since they hardly get anything and so far SB didn't bring much

[Gravton]

Honestly crafting and gathering aficionados are the most shafted players atm since they hardly get anything and so far SB didn't bring much

What!? You are getting a brand new collectible turn in on top of the 2 you already have AND it will still reward red scripts. You still need those right? The npc is completely different so new content! =P

[Yokotsune]

I wouldn’t really say it’s gated behind making gil—gil isn’t that hard to make. It’s gated more behind lack of housing due to SE’s stubbornness to shift away from wards and towards instanced housing that everyone can access. Crafting recipes are gated behind desire to level crafters; same with gathering.

Aside from the hyperbole idea that people roleplay as Farmers/Fishers and Miners and enjoy paying 15$/month for the most simplistic minigame. Sure an extreme minority only find pleasure in gathering and crafting /alone/ but that doesn't actually change the value of certain items/events/ scenarios. You could never sit there and and smile to SE if they decided to say "Hey instead of 4.2, we'll do patch 4.169 and add 20 new items to the cash shop. We'll do Patch 4.2 in another 3 months." So that you could turn around and say "Oh! That's a huge load of content added. I like the cash shop items a lot so this is a really big patch!"

[HyoMinPark]

Aside from the hyperbole idea that people roleplay as Farmers/Fishers and Miners and enjoy paying 15$/month for the most simplistic minigame. Sure an extreme minority only find pleasure in gathering and crafting /alone/ but that doesn't actually change the value of certain items/events/ scenarios. You could never sit there and and smile to SE if they decided to say "Hey instead of 4.2, we'll do patch 4.169 and add 20 new items to the cash shop. We'll do Patch 4.2 in another 3 months." So that you could turn around and say "Oh! That's a huge load of content added. I like the cash shop items a lot so this is a really big patch!"

Cash shop has zero to do with this discussion at all, so not sure why you're bringing it up. Nowhere in any of my comments did I even mention the cash shop, or how things added to it are/aren't content. You're arguing things that aren't relevant to my comments at all.

Value is subjective. I don't find PvP valuable; I do it for the mounts or when I'm bored, though I've only done Frontlines once since SB dropped. Doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and say any content changed or added to PvP isn't "content." I also don't care for Squadrons, yet I'm not saying the Squadron AI that's being added isn't "content." I am a bard main and I personally find "Perform" an extreme waste of resources, but I'm not going to say it isn't "content."

Just because you (General you) don't find content "valuable" or "worthwhile" doesn't mean that it's not content. SE could have added nothing, but instead they're adding several different things. And while I'm disappointed Eureka isn't in this patch, hopefully this means that they'll spend more time making it a success rather than another Diadem or Lords of Verminion.

[Yokotsune]

Im sure lack of content from SE has always developed into "investing time into more Content." Oh wait. It doesnt. Time to cycle through the same exact expansion as HW.

[Gravton]

Value is subjective. I don't find PvP valuable; I do it for the mounts or when I'm bored, though I've only done Frontlines once since SB dropped. Doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and say any content changed or added to PvP isn't "content." I also don't care for Squadrons, yet I'm not saying the Squadron AI that's being added isn't "content." I am a bard main and I personally find "Perform" an extreme waste of resources, but I'm not going to say it isn't "content."

Why does value define content? A new pvp map and game mode is content. Squadrons is a new feature that allows you to do old content. Perform is a new feature added for bard. This patch has more features coming than content. Some judge it to be "empty" because none of the content is designed to last 3 months for 4.2.

[HyoMinPark]

Why does value define content? A new pvp map and game mode is content. Squadrons is a new feature that allows you to do old content. Perform is a new feature added for bard. This patch has more features coming than content. Some judge it to be "empty" because none of the content is designed to last 3 months for 4.2.

I’m not the one saying “value” defines what content is. I’m saying that content is content, regardless of whether or not someone finds it “valuable” or “unvaluable.”