Tanks Letting DPS Die

[EaMett]

this is just your personal opinion.

It's not my opinion. It's a well established responsibility distribution that's been inherent to role based mmos for over a decade now. Which was thoroughly backed up in this thread, with examples and counter examples. You (and others) strolling in saying it's "an opinion" without backing it up beyond saying "tanks have aggro building tools so it's their responsibility" does not make it so. No matter how easy it is for tanks to build aggro. You are still the ONLY (I can't stress this enough omg) person with control over YOUR enmity. If not having you there gets rid of the problem, YOU are the problem. If your tank sucks and you can't dps that's on him.
Someone earlier asked for an example of when it was actually the tank's fault and we're still waiting.

There are many flavors of mmos out there. I can't claim to having played them all but I've been around. Role responsibilities has been the one constant throughout. Some mmos make it hard on tanks to build proper enmity and DPS are always capped and stopping their dps to not grab aggro because doing so results in a swift death. When that's the case a good tank is one that could play with good dps and not cap them. Hell there are mmos where tanks don't even have enmity building skills so dps have to wait for buildup before starting. There are even mmos without raises so dps have to be extra careful.
It's always been the DPS' responsibility to keep their aggro in check and FF14 is no exception. The fact that tanks can make enmity rain, coupled with the fact that grabbing aggro is low consequence does NOT change these responsibilities. It merely allows you to be a sloppy player.

If you're in a raid with a slow building enmity tank there are several outcomes when you're about to grab aggro:
- You stop dpsing because you're out of enmity dumping skills. Your dps is bellow what it could be but you still manage to clear the boss before the enrage. You did YOUR job properly, made up for your high enmity (or the tank's low enmity) by stopping your dps and cleared the content. Success.
- You continue dpsing and grab aggro, boss cleaves the raid, or is missplaced for a mechanic etc.. it's a wipe. It's YOUR FAULT, if you had played your class properly you guys would have succeeded as per the above.
- You continue dpsing and grab aggro, boss kills you, screws up positionals for other players, etc. You hit enrage and wipe. It's YOUR FAULT, again if you had played properly you would've cleared.
- You stop DPSing, never grab aggro. The boss hits enrage and you wipe. It's the TANK'S FAULT. He's not generating enough enmity and is capping the group DPS which is keeping you from passing the enrage mechanic.
- And for full disclosure > You continue dpsing, grab aggro and the tank manages to pull back. In which case you may down the boss thanks to the cover provided by the tank and the healers (perhaps shielding and healing through a buster that required the provoke CD for example). They need to put that extra effort in because of YOU. They're covering YOUR mistake.

This applies to every encounter be it raid, boss, trash, etc... it's just that ff14 is very casual oriented and allows players to be sloppy, luring dps into thinking "well if the tank can't hold aggro he's not playing right so it's his fault". This is fallacious at best. Your enmity, your responsibility.

PS: And just to be clear. Tank in the wrong stance, tank AFKing mid pull, etc.. all douche moves from the tank but still your fault for grabbing aggro (though it may be warranted as your healer doesn't have infinite mana, but in that case you're putting the group survival first which is normal). You have 1 job as a dps. Doing as much damage as you can while not getting aggro. You have a built in enemy list and single target aggro list, use them.