Regarding no DRK adjustments in 4.1

[Aana]

I won't comment about the snapshotting part because, simply, it will show it's limit and edges quite fast and I'm sure people with more intensible play than I will figure it out and get the best out of it.

Considering the comparison between TBN and DV, then Adlo and succor, I think you're getting completely out of hands here.


You're mixing up things, from a cooldown / targettable ressource costy that TBN is (given the refund is quite neutral on cost, but it's usage can only be done if you don't need it for yourself), compared first to AOE low cost support from tank, then to a non cooldown casted heal with a shield, then to the same effect on the same job but AOE spell, which both are healer spells.

I mean, what's next, TBN will a compared to Soul eater or storm's path ? Will tetragrammaton be balanced against Succor ? No. Will medica/cure3 or medica 2 be balanced around succor ? mostly.


You can't just get an upper hand putting things that doesn't even looks, works, or aren't avaliable to the same setup of roles.

A raid wide shield is a raid wide shield, and anything that can be compared to it is a raid wide shield, a boss damage reduction, or (even if less desirable) a raid wide heal. And all of them only beeing useable by a tank role.

You can put TBN close to Intervene, but that's all. Because that's the only other single target damage reduction that is avaliable to a tank role.

My point on adlo/succor is that people have been utterly railing against TBN on the notion that it isnt 'raid wide' mitigation. Before shake it off rework, everyone was talking about raid utility in a broad sense. There was a fairly solid consensus that Pld has a ton of utility (Cures, aoe mitigation, aoe shield, ST mitigation, Cover, etc), drk was 2nd thanks to TBN, and war had none. Now that war has an AOE shield, TBN is suddenly horseshit useless. The fact that its single target is now a big deal. "Its not raid utility! Its only used on the MT 99% of the time when not on the drk!" So? Did cover and intervention suddenly stop being good? Did adlo stop being good? Why is helping the MT not raid utility all of a sudden?

The debate has magically reformed after war got an AOE from Raid Utility=helping the team is now Raid Utility=AOE mitigation. Im trying to point out how absurd this rebranding is. Why is a 15sec (near free) CD rampart on the MT 'not useful' or 'not raid utility'? You dont have to shield the entire party for a skill to be useful. Thus the adlo succor comparison.

In the zeal to rebrand war as OP as fuck and Drk as a shit stain on Plds Pants many have been redefining 'utility' to this absurdly narrow definition of AOE shields because that helps their argument. Its a poor foundation. a 15 sec (near free) super stoneskin (stoneskin was 10% of target HP, drk has more HP than most) IS RAID UTILITY. ITS GOOD RAID UTILITY. It could use some tweaks like a longer duration or more reliable refund for sure. But just because war got an AOE doesnt make a HIGHLY frequent near zero cost single target shield bad. But its post after post about how terribad TBN is because its no AOE. So what. Its still an excellent skill and shouldnt be constantly dismissed and overlooked because people want to play semantics about 'raid utility'.