Quote Originally Posted by Aana View Post
Snapshotting before something falls off could be lulzy easy or extremely tactical/hard. Depends on a lot of factors. Consider these 2 examples

*1: What if the shield lasts 1 min (extreme good). Well, all of a sudden this ability is super lulzy and costs virtually nothing.
"Hey Tank buster! Time to use vengeance+IB like I always do anyway! @1sec left: NOM NOM NOM SUPER SHIELD NOM!". 30 sec later Raid damage happens. WAR SO GEWD! /flex!!

*2: What if the shield lasts 5 sec (extreme bad). Well, all of a sudden this ability is extremely costly, tactical and situational
"Hey tank buster! Time to use Veng+IB like I always do! Oh wait...Raid aoe comes in 20 sec....do I want to save something to NOM NOM for that? Im not taking a buster then....Shit need to reconfigure my entire CD rotation if I want more than a junky 4% shield! Tradeoffs! Sacrifices! WHAT DO!?!?!?!"

The duration alone will HEAVILY impact how big the tradeoffs are. Sure there are some situations where TB happens and then raid aoe after and that's similar to the rare double busters that intervention gets to double dip and be super awesome (a la twinbolt). But what if the raid damage is BEFORE the buster? What if the shield doesn't last very long so you cant do much double dipping the buster for you and the buffs for raid?

Patch notes will tell all. This can easily be a very nich/OT useful ability, or OP as fudge, or something in the middle depending on a number of factors we don't yet know.

As for Why TBN is compared to DV/AOE? The same reason that Adlo and Succor are both very handy. Is succor BETTER than adlo? Sometimes. Is adlo BETTER than succor? Sure. Sometimes. They don't do the same thing. That doesn't mean 1 is bad and the other is good. 10% single target shield (potentially every 15 sec) vs 10% aoe shield every 2 min. Why cant both of those things be good? Adlo and succor are both good. Why cant TBN and Veil also both be good? Why shit on TBN and not shit on Adlo? Both have value but people keep ignoring the value of a frequent ST shield like it is has no value. If that's true delete Adlo. Its not true. It has value, but people keep insisting otherwise because reasons.
I won't comment about the snapshotting part because, simply, it will show it's limit and edges quite fast and I'm sure people with more intensible play than I will figure it out and get the best out of it.

Considering the comparison between TBN and DV, then Adlo and succor, I think you're getting completely out of hands here.


You're mixing up things, from a cooldown / targettable ressource costy that TBN is (given the refund is quite neutral on cost, but it's usage can only be done if you don't need it for yourself), compared first to AOE low cost support from tank, then to a non cooldown casted heal with a shield, then to the same effect on the same job but AOE spell, which both are healer spells.

I mean, what's next, TBN will a compared to Soul eater or storm's path ? Will tetragrammaton be balanced against Succor ? No. Will medica/cure3 or medica 2 be balanced around succor ? mostly.


You can't just get an upper hand putting things that doesn't even looks, works, or aren't avaliable to the same setup of roles.

A raid wide shield is a raid wide shield, and anything that can be compared to it is a raid wide shield, a boss damage reduction, or (even if less desirable) a raid wide heal. And all of them only beeing useable by a tank role.

You can put TBN close to Intervene, but that's all. Because that's the only other single target damage reduction that is avaliable to a tank role.