4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[Palamouche]

this need to work on a content that will not lock us in our group of friend... force us to do stuff together...

that why i ask content at 4 challenging and rewarding, for force player to try harder, to get skill, to change mentality.

I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to convey here ? You're asking us to be more open as a community (even changes our mentality) and band together within our activities, yet you're dismissing any attempt at getting out of your comfort zone. (Refers to the second quote, in which you talk about your raiding experience)

In the end it sounds like you just want something that is catered to your small group of friends, which is acceptable but don't try to jump into hoop to get your point across when it is hided behind a simpler truth.

[Theodric]

To be honest, a large part of the problem is the community itself. Clear rates over on the Japanese servers are higher even for tough content since they PUG a lot of stuff in a way that is efficient and driven by patience. New blood is valued. Over on the European and North American servers, though, it's the opposite. People do clear but there's a lot more impatience, bickering and unreasonable demands. New blood is seen as a burden, so there's a significant number of players who would like to do tough content but can't because they simply can't find a decent, reliable static, their friends aren't interested in raiding or they just have awful luck with PUGs. I'd love to do the higher floors of POTD, for instance. I did, twice - and got to 170 and then 190 before my group fell apart. Getting people to try and do it is a real pain and it's not for lack of effort in searching, either.

If people want the developers to create more tough content then there needs to be a major effort to bring about a culture shift that places a higher value on new blood and encourages more players to be introduced and guided through it.

[Valenth]

I personally am looking forward to the patch a lot. And while it does seem to be less in 'traditional' sense of content, I see it more as a set-up, an opening if you will, to a lot more content and things to do later down the line. We know the SE team is under extreme pressure to constantly keep delivering and in my opinion they're doing a great job with the sheer amount of updates this game keeps gettings.

That being said, I really think they should step away from the "patch" naming convention and start refering to it as "update". I mean, the word 'patch' in my mind solely implies fixing broken things rather than adding to and improving upon. xP

@Fernehalwes (Koji Fox, our English localisation lead, for those wondering)?! You readin' this!?! xD

[Maero]

I also agree with points Mya has made, however to be fair some of that content is coming in later patches, not next week
But at least you did put it in perspective to those saying there is no content or no new content

[Bourne_Endeavor]

the ultimate coil was something that wasn't urgent as content... that my point, that something that was deserving even to be push to 4.3.... instead it was pushed in 4.1... even to the point that eureka was pushed back to 4.2.... what normally was the heart of this patch... eureka was the new content that did make the odd patch loose 1 dungeon... and this content don't come before 4.2.

why i'm not fond of ultimate, it's because that for a soo small part of the community, not many people will beat it, not even try to beat it... because like they have said it's extremly hard. focusing the developement on content that will serve only a niche in the community soo early in the extension is a bad move... and that the whole point and we are agreeing on this... the mixing up of the patch is bad... the game is unbalanced by the lack of content in some area that we deseperatly need.

The vast majority of Ultimate will reuse existing assets. Look no further than the clip shown during the Live Letter. They only shrunk Twintainia's arena to prevent being cheesing Dive Bombs, otherwise all three encounters take place in the same arena, Twintania uses the same abilities and etc. Some additions were made, of course, namely to accommodate fighting all three, but the actual scale in design is likely far less significant than developing content from whole cloth.

Your stance presumes delaying Ultimate would allow them to release Eureka earlier. Given the massive difference in scope, I sincerely doubt that. It's far more probable they would have delayed Ultimate had it meant Eureka could release faster. What likely caused the delay is their determination to stay on schedule whereas previous x.1 patches were pushed back an additional month. Considering the colossal flop that became Diadem, I would much prefer they not rush Eureka. Honestly, I wager they want to be absolutely certain it releases as intended lest they suffer another backlash.

right now the community is a mess... the toxic level of some people reach... some dangerous states.

This is wholly irrelevant to the dev team. They can't control how the community acts. That doesn't mean the entire raid demographic should be punished because some people are assholes.

don't get me wrong, i know everything i say will have no impact, but i say it... not in the hope to see it next patch, but for the next expansion, for make them realize that focus only on raid, pvp is not a solution, we really need a true activity that can rivalize with both. bring back group in middle of the this... and even bring hamlet back... upgrade it and make the community of the server work together one more time...

And you are well within your right to complain about the lack of content. I'd suggest that stance as I, too, feel 4.1 is a bit too sparse. That doesn't mean every single piece of content they do release isn't worthwhile for some. Your prior post makes me think little will satisfy you outside an enormous release ala 2.1, which isn't likely to happen again.

[bswpayton]

One fight after four years sounds fair. Truthfully, one could argue it was overdue. Again, because it doesn't suit your tastes, it's simply not content.

Yes. One fight after four years.

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I never said it wasnt for me or that I never would try it if I got to it , I was simply sayin that its not content for the majority of players that play the game and that most people never will touch this. I wasnt here but Ive heard that a3s was pretty challenging, so was a8s, so this isnt like oh the first challenging fight you have ever gotten. I dont mind the fact that this exist but you come with this content, and literallly give the same exact stuff we would have gotten regardless because SE repeats itself and I know this from just simply playin a years time already use to the trend.

A house is not content thats something else we are getting , I have a house as well I thats not content thats like calling glamour content. The way they make it look, is that they spent like a year rehashing an old fight for .001 of the player base, takin away a dungeon, and not coming out with any sort of anima type weapon. I dont think anyone would have a word to say if they didnt always boastler what they are doing when its really just more of the same stuff, and im ok wit the same I love the game. But sometimes the devs boast to much and make themselves look inconsistent when they dont deliver, Im hoping that super savage is unclearable by most that way they would have actually kept their word on that part at least. But telling us they where removing a dungeon to give more stuff that they already would have given us anyway is just not true and I think thats more so the issue that people have.

[JunseiKei]

I never said it wasnt for me or that I never would try it if I got to it , I was simply sayin that its not content for the majority of players that play the game and that most people never will touch this. I wasnt here but Ive heard that a3s was pretty challenging, so was a8s, so this isnt like oh the first challenging fight you have ever gotten. I dont mind the fact that this exist but you come with this content, and literallly give the same exact stuff we would have gotten regardless because SE repeats itself and I know this from just simply playin a years time already use to the trend.

A house is not content thats something else we are getting , I have a house as well I thats not content thats like calling glamour content. The way they make it look, is that they spent like a year rehashing an old fight for .001 of the player base, takin away a dungeon, and not coming out with any sort of anima type weapon. I dont think anyone would have a word to say if they didnt always boastler what they are doing when its really just more of the same stuff, and im ok wit the same I love the game. But sometimes the devs boast to much and make themselves look inconsistent when they dont deliver, Im hoping that super savage is unclearable by most that way they would have actually kept their word on that part at least. But telling us they where removing a dungeon to give more stuff that they already would have given us anyway is just not true and I think thats more so the issue that people have.

Your entire post can literally be summarized as, "I have this, so to me, this patch brings nothing for me to do, so it's not content." You're all too willing to dismiss inclusion for other people as content based solely on you, like the game revolves around you.

It doesn't.

[rjspencer4]

I'll probably have to skip Shinryu EX if it's going to be as difficult as they claim

[Gravton]

The difference between you and I here is simple; I have other things in game to work on happily in tandem to the new bits on content. We aren't the same category of player.
So when I hear players say, "I'm so bored! There is nothing for me here!" I'm fully aware you aren't interested in anything but making your iLVL higher and what to smash it against.
And this isn't the patch for you.

Again your argument is completely irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion is over what is in 4.1. Not all the stuff you still need to do from 2.0 to now. I never once claimed I was talking about my gear either. If people are complaining now that they are bored, what "new" content is there to fix that? Even hardcore raiders. How long will it take to clear and farm the new raid? Will it last to 4.5? Will it even last to 4.2? The devs went to a shorter patch cycle for players "like me". Is there anything in this patch that will keep player entertained until 4.5? And what do you mean "this patch isn't for you"? I thought this was an amusement park with something for everyone.

[bswpayton]

Your entire post can literally be summarized as, "I have this, so to me, this patch brings nothing for me to do, so it's not content." You're all too willing to dismiss inclusion for other people as content based solely on you, like the game revolves around you.

It doesn't.

who said it revolved around me but I certainly know it doesn't revolve around people whom do super savage either so I dont really understand ur point. Like I said super savage is for a handful of people and streamers to show on youtube Id hardly call that content but you can if you want to. You know farming 2000 hunts , is content as well to get a mount, everything in the game is literally content, runnin around in a circle is content on the game, just because a few people can do it doesnt mean its worth not having an alternative for everyone else.

Dont really see how thats very hard to understand , this has nothing to do with me if everyone was of ur pov that this patch is so amazing then this thread wouldnt be going on for 400 plus replies. Correction for your average player there was literally nothing new that we wouldnt have already gotten anyway to have lost somethings in return in 4.1 maybe that is better wording for you.