4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

**Vahlnir** · 10-05-2017 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

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They designed PotD this way on purpose, so that even dps could level quickly. It's still much harder to do without a healer and tank though at higher levels. The endgame gear is "obsolete" in 3-4, roughly. 1-2 is a inaccurate. Never if you use them for glamour. The structure is that of a modern MMO, aka the gear treadmill. You get more powerful as the expansion progresses. No amount of nerfs will encourage people who don't want to raid or do Ex modes...to do raids or Ex modes. People usually wait for the next expansion to do that content if they aren't interested in it when it's current. No nerf required, they simply come back OP. Echo will help, but if there's mechanics that need to be done, no amount of echo will save a group who refuses to do them. It all comes down to what people prefer to do, or not do. Not everything has to be about gear either.

**Ametrine** · 10-05-2017 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

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The horizontal progression over the continuous vertical version we have is an discussion hashed out quite a few times. That's an entirely different set of issues, and everyone seems to feel a bit differently on it.

The reality is, the current system is casual friendly. And there are more filthy casuals paying subs than hardcores who want it horizontal.

A full gearset is relatively easy to replace, the quicker turnover allows players to skip steps if they are behind, and the regular rewards keeps more people engaged. Horizontal progression and the way it rewards players grabs and holds fewer people that the faster gratification the treadmill does.

As for PotD, what are you talking about? PotD was meant as an alternative means to level grind, and ignoring the trinity meant it made the process faster. Or, is the issue that 4 DPS = easy content = boring and bad?

**Whocareswhatmynameis** · 10-05-2017 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Ametrine

A full gearset is relatively easy to replace, the quicker turnover allows players to skip steps if they are behind, and the regular rewards keeps more people engaged.

As for PotD, what are you talking about?

I think that's part of the problem. No1 bothers to really do anything once the realization sets in that the next raid tier's normal mode will give higher lvl gear than this raid tier's savage mode. And why bother playing at all when you know you can come back in 6 months or whenever really and be given a full set of gear with little to no effort. It just makes the playerbase lethargic as hell, lots of people just start logging in less and less until they eventually just find another game that is more compelling to them.

PotD requires no skill or strategy until floor what? 150? To me that's the opposite of engaging content. There was little to no reason to even go past floor 100 because the weapons were gotten from beating floors 50-100 over and over. The dev team as a whole needs to re-evaluate what direction they want to take this game imo.

**FabricioRF** · 10-05-2017 12:02 PM

PotD is the worst piece of content ever added to the game, in my opinion. You just mindlessly kill things by pressing 1 button. No mechanics, no challenge, no nothing.

I'd rather do Diadem than PotD.

**Penthea** · 10-05-2017 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by FabricioRF

PotD is the worst piece of content ever added to the game, in my opinion. You just mindlessly kill things by pressing 1 button. No mechanics, no challenge, no nothing.

And I take it you did all 200 floors then?

**FabricioRF** · 10-05-2017 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Penthea

And I take it you did all 200 floors then?

I'm not a masochist.

**Lambdafish** · 10-05-2017 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by FabricioRF

I'm not a masochist.

I thought it was just blindly pressing one button

**Aster_E** · 10-05-2017 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I thought it was just blindly pressing one button

Oh, his poor thumb... Will no one think of the poor thumb's wife and kids? *Rolls eyes*

**Alleo** · 10-06-2017 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by FabricioRF

PotD is the worst piece of content ever added to the game, in my opinion. You just mindlessly kill things by pressing 1 button. No mechanics, no challenge, no nothing.

I'd rather do Diadem than PotD.

Well the only challenge you will get with four people under floor 100 is with bad randoms. But the challenge itself comes with the floors 101+ and solo play. Sadly I cant truly try it thanks to their horrible DCs in there and the horrible no death rule on top of that. (Since DCs count as death if you are solo)

I dont have anything against ultimate. I am kinda looking forward to seeing the world first groups try it and I know that each part of the playerbase needs something. But I just wished there was some long living content for the more casuals too. We have one dungeon and a 24 man raid that can be completed in a day. Story is always nice but its also over in some hours. New emotes, hair styles and things like that are a given in a patch. (And lets not forget that we only got two new hairstyles in the expansion itself..)

There is nothing in this patch that will keep me playing for weeks. (Other than a new house but I dont really see that as content for everyone thanks to its limit) So in the end I am just disappointed that the more casuals or midcore player did not get something really new this patch..something like Eureka.

**axemtitanium** · 10-05-2017 02:12 PM

>hasn't even completed half the content in the game

>complains about lack of content

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