4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[JunseiKei]

I raid as well doesn't mean I feel like raiders deserve a whole fight amongst themselves.

One fight after four years sounds fair. Truthfully, one could argue it was overdue. Again, because it doesn't suit your tastes, it's simply not content.

Yes. One fight after four years.

- A completely new DESPERATELY needed and required by the hardcore community raid mode, that extends the live of the hardcore community adding a new flavor to the raiding scene and longetivity value to not only the community but the raid scene itself as it's required to clear savage to access ultimate and there's thousands of people still in in V3. And hardcore raiders have a reason to resub for odd numbered patches. "oh but I don't raid so this aint new"

this one did make me laughs... the hardcore community get a content every freaking 3 month

Wrong. Raiders get content to do roughly every 6 months (raid tiers come out roughly x.05, x.2 and x.4). However, that is raiders and you need not be hardcore to raid - that's just a stigma EU and NA players have thrown onto it and the Japanese player-base have otherwise proven to be a myth. There has been a lack of hardcore content. The Second Coil of Bahamut Savage was pretty much looked on as a failure. Gordias nearly killed raiding because of the difficulty spike that was met for player demands for more difficulty, but otherwise taught SE that if they are going to put challenging content in, it needs to be annexed from the content that "midcore" players could complete. The actual hardcore players beat Gordias quickly (not the same day, but still quickly), leaving the rest of the raiding scene struggling.

They had no content to do. Actual no content. Not this, "I don't like it, therefore I won't do it" mentality of no content.

[bswpayton]

One fight after four years sounds fair. Truthfully, one could argue it was overdue. Again, because it doesn't suit your tastes, it's simply not content.

Yes. One fight after four years.

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I never said it wasnt for me or that I never would try it if I got to it , I was simply sayin that its not content for the majority of players that play the game and that most people never will touch this. I wasnt here but Ive heard that a3s was pretty challenging, so was a8s, so this isnt like oh the first challenging fight you have ever gotten. I dont mind the fact that this exist but you come with this content, and literallly give the same exact stuff we would have gotten regardless because SE repeats itself and I know this from just simply playin a years time already use to the trend.

A house is not content thats something else we are getting , I have a house as well I thats not content thats like calling glamour content. The way they make it look, is that they spent like a year rehashing an old fight for .001 of the player base, takin away a dungeon, and not coming out with any sort of anima type weapon. I dont think anyone would have a word to say if they didnt always boastler what they are doing when its really just more of the same stuff, and im ok wit the same I love the game. But sometimes the devs boast to much and make themselves look inconsistent when they dont deliver, Im hoping that super savage is unclearable by most that way they would have actually kept their word on that part at least. But telling us they where removing a dungeon to give more stuff that they already would have given us anyway is just not true and I think thats more so the issue that people have.

[JunseiKei]

I never said it wasnt for me or that I never would try it if I got to it , I was simply sayin that its not content for the majority of players that play the game and that most people never will touch this. I wasnt here but Ive heard that a3s was pretty challenging, so was a8s, so this isnt like oh the first challenging fight you have ever gotten. I dont mind the fact that this exist but you come with this content, and literallly give the same exact stuff we would have gotten regardless because SE repeats itself and I know this from just simply playin a years time already use to the trend.

A house is not content thats something else we are getting , I have a house as well I thats not content thats like calling glamour content. The way they make it look, is that they spent like a year rehashing an old fight for .001 of the player base, takin away a dungeon, and not coming out with any sort of anima type weapon. I dont think anyone would have a word to say if they didnt always boastler what they are doing when its really just more of the same stuff, and im ok wit the same I love the game. But sometimes the devs boast to much and make themselves look inconsistent when they dont deliver, Im hoping that super savage is unclearable by most that way they would have actually kept their word on that part at least. But telling us they where removing a dungeon to give more stuff that they already would have given us anyway is just not true and I think thats more so the issue that people have.

Your entire post can literally be summarized as, "I have this, so to me, this patch brings nothing for me to do, so it's not content." You're all too willing to dismiss inclusion for other people as content based solely on you, like the game revolves around you.

It doesn't.

[bswpayton]

Your entire post can literally be summarized as, "I have this, so to me, this patch brings nothing for me to do, so it's not content." You're all too willing to dismiss inclusion for other people as content based solely on you, like the game revolves around you.

It doesn't.

who said it revolved around me but I certainly know it doesn't revolve around people whom do super savage either so I dont really understand ur point. Like I said super savage is for a handful of people and streamers to show on youtube Id hardly call that content but you can if you want to. You know farming 2000 hunts , is content as well to get a mount, everything in the game is literally content, runnin around in a circle is content on the game, just because a few people can do it doesnt mean its worth not having an alternative for everyone else.

Dont really see how thats very hard to understand , this has nothing to do with me if everyone was of ur pov that this patch is so amazing then this thread wouldnt be going on for 400 plus replies. Correction for your average player there was literally nothing new that we wouldnt have already gotten anyway to have lost somethings in return in 4.1 maybe that is better wording for you.

[Aramina]

Correction for your average player there was literally nothing new that we wouldnt have already gotten anyway to have lost somethings in return in 4.1 maybe that is better wording for you.

What do you think you could have possibly gotten for the same dev effort as a modification of an existing raid? Should they not add *anything* until they can tit for tat for everyone?

[bswpayton]

What do you think you could have possibly gotten for the same dev effort as a modification of an existing raid? Should they not add *anything* until they can tit for tat for everyone?

who says they have to go in order I dont even like potd but they could of already released it, they could have released eruka , they could of allowed us to do more with our squadrons Ive very disappointed in this feature 5 dungeons three of which are below level 44. By them not bringing out something like potd earlier that just means they gona go in the same pattern they already have with one less dungeon, and instead of three months of the same ones you now have 6 months you get to do the same dungeons over and over again its literally no need to even unlock the new dungeon thats coming out.

Like I said earlier I have barely a year of this game and I already know exactly what they are bringing out already, they are going in the same exact pattern when they dont have to. Even this beast tribe coming out could have been the crafter and gatherers one , but nope gota stick to that pattern. You can predict the whole line of sb already for the most part about same amount of msq as dragonsong, 5 quest a patch, we will get three new primals with a side story and maybe one more for story just like hw.

And get new four new raids every six months until the next expansion throw in now super savage every odd patch. And two more 24 mans with a weekly lock out, they not gona change anything its gona be like this until the expansion ends. They could at least switch up the order at the least instead of giving an exact carbon copy of what hw was because this is what we are on pace for currently the writing is on the wall only difference is one less dungeon and super savage which more people will actually have done the dungeon they took out.

[Aramina]

who says they have to go in order I dont even like potd but they could of already released it, they could have released eruka

You understand that they release things when they are complete right? Potd isn't postponed because of Ultimate, it is postponed because it is not ready yet. Eureka is not postponed because of Ultimate, Eureka is postponed because it is not ready yet. Whether or not Ultimate was released in 4.1. or 4.2 or 4.3 or 5.0 those things that you mentioned would still not be ready for 4.1.

[LaylaTsarra]

who said it revolved around me but I certainly know it doesn't revolve around people whom do super savage either so I dont really understand ur point. Like I said super savage is for a handful of people and streamers to show on youtube Id hardly call that content but you can if you want to.

You do realize the raiding community is important to this game don't you? They need a challenge just like other groups have other interests to motivate them. Raiding took an awful hit in heavensward to the point people were leaving servers in droves to find others to play with. I for one am happy they're getting something and personally I think it's long overdue.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You do realize the raiding community is important to this game don't you? They need a challenge just like other groups have other interests to motivate them. Raiding took an awful hit in heavensward to the point people were leaving servers in droves to find others to play with. I for one am happy they're getting something and personally I think it's long overdue.

I want to emphasis this because people all too frequently dismiss the raid community as a minority that shouldn't ever be focused on. Say they continue to reduce Savage difficulty or do little else to incentivize raiding. Now more and more raiders leave for greener pastures, this trickles down to the crafting and gathering community who find less people valuing consumables or higher end crafted gear, which only dilutes their enjoyment. Likewise, Duty Finder becomes less populated by skilled players, perhaps driving more players to run exclusively with their FC mates.

Many bits of content have subtle connections that impact one another. Downplaying one can easily affect all of them just like putting too great an emphasis (Gordias) can have equally negative effects. It's important everyone has something they enjoy. Ultimate will hopefully be that for raiders who have felt disillusioned since Creator.

[bswpayton]

I want to .

I usually agree wit you bourne-Endeavor but I just dont feel like this is the case, the devs have already said they anticipated that many people would clear v1s and v2s and struggle with v3s, and 4s. They said this in a live letter so its not like even all raiders are destroying this whole raid tier we have now even if some believe its watered down. So if the data already shows that people have struggled with ,3 and 4 then if super savage is 10 times harder than 4, then how many people are we really talkin here. It would be Im guessing people such as your self and streamers and such I like to watch like xeynos, happy etc, but if this lives up to what they claim and have boasted about then this should be the hardest raid in the game thus far, so if thats the case then even most raiders wont even be clearing it either thus = a waste of resources.