4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[alimdia]

Wasn't Stormblood meant to have a much bigger budget than Heavensward? :thinking:

:disappointedface:

It was a hoax from the FFXIV gamefaqs community.

[Lelila38]

I raid as well doesn't mean I feel like raiders deserve a whole fight amongst themselves. Going back to the diadum example the weapon was a waste because nobody had a realistic chance of getting one. Sorry that I want content thst most players can actually take part in my mistake. squadrons was a let down five old dungeons is lame. 24 man and shiyru was a given, so that leaves super savage that's new which many people want even be doing.

Why not?
It's your choice to not do it. I don't pvp, yet I don't complain that pvper have a whole part of the game to themselves. From my perspective that's dead content to me as well, but if there are people who enjoy it, why not have it? It's a huge themepark, not everything is for everyone, you go and pick what is for you.

On topic: I don't feel like we're getting less content, just I've been playing for so long, all content feels used and old. I'd appreciate something new, fresh and challenging.

[Vahlnir]

I raid as well doesn't mean I feel like raiders deserve a whole fight amongst themselves. Going back to the diadum example the weapon was a waste because nobody had a realistic chance of getting one. Sorry that I want content thst most players can actually take part in my mistake. squadrons was a let down five old dungeons is lame. 24 man and shiyru was a given, so that leaves super savage that's new which many people want even be doing.

I personally don't see the big deal. There's really not much for the most hardcore raiders, so I have no issue with SE throwing them a bone. Let the hardcore players have their hardcore content...as I said in another thread about a similar subject. The casual crowd gets more all the time, this patch is literally no different. I'm a casual player, for the record, though I play a lot.

[Lambdafish]

You me as in 95 percent of the player base right?

5% is a far bigger chunk of players than own a house (in any district), yet every patch we get new furniture's and housing features which people enjoy, including a massive furniture capacity increase in 4.0 which was met with so much praise. Why are people content for mass amounts of server space and resources dedicated to housing on a near constant basis, but as soon as raiders get one bit of much-needed content (that uses recycled assets no less), then the toys are thrown out of the pram.

I'm not complaining about housing btw, people enjoy their house and they are entitled to their content, I'm complaining about this mentality that anything to do with top end raiding is a "waste of resources". This is a theme park MMO designed to provide something for everyone (not everything for one demographic), so let the top end players have their content finally, and enjoy the content that was designed for you.

Going back to the diadum example the weapon was a waste because nobody had a realistic chance of getting one.

I think you misunderstand the diadem weapon controversy. Nobody cared that it was hard to get, people cared that it was locked behind layers of RNG, forcing them to grind out bad content for the sake of giving it life. On top of that, the weapons were 5 ilvls higher than both relic and raid, and was released at the same time as the final stage of the relic, adding salt to the hard work put into those weapons weapon because they were less powerful than an RNG weapon tied to bad content. To make matters worse, the devs response was "calm down" and "its the end of the expansion, who cares" rather than addressing a blatant flaw in their progression system.

Ultimate coil, on the other hand, is an additional progression tier for raiders that enhances the game's progression rather than undermines it. Your example is not only wrong but also allows me to point out why the ultimate series is a good thing.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I raid as well doesn't mean I feel like raiders deserve a whole fight amongst themselves. Going back to the diadum example the weapon was a waste because nobody had a realistic chance of getting one. Sorry that I want content thst most players can actually take part in my mistake. squadrons was a let down five old dungeons is lame. 24 man and shiyru was a given, so that leaves super savage that's new which many people want even be doing.

Would you fancy I list the overwhelming amount of content dedicated to casual players? Like Lamb said, theme park MMOs strive to have something for everyone. If we dissect each content niche, be it crafting, gathering, roleplay, level grinds, collecting and etc, you'll quickly discover most individual content has a low percentage of interest. Why can't raiders have their small slice of the pie, especially since Savage underwent considerably nerfs since Midas? As for Diadem. People were upset because the relic weapon was no longer BiS, the 280 weapon (and Diadem itself) had enormous amounts of RNG and the design felt incredibly lazy. Personally, it's that last one which stuck out for me. If the devs had any confidence in Diadem's revival, they wouldn't have put a potential BiS weapon on a carrot.

[silentwindfr]

mega long post in page 41

seriously... i love how you ignore the trouble and try to white knight this soo much...

- A completely new moba style pvp mode, that isn't just different way to kill eachother but a fully fleshout map with mechanincs asplayer controlled mech and variations of mechs specialized for different situations, tower defense, 24 vs 24. " oh but I don't pvp so this aint new"

pvp was never the main focus on FF14 and if more of 20% really partake in pvp we are lucky, most people do it a bit more in stormblood only because it allows to level up... indeed is nice to get a new mode more balanced (1v1 faction instead of a 1v1v1) however it's a niche content in FF14.

- A completely new DESPERATELY needed and required by the hardcore community raid mode, that extends the live of the hardcore community adding a new flavor to the raiding scene and longetivity value to not only the community but the raid scene itself as it's required to clear savage to access ultimate and there's thousands of people still in in V3. And hardcore raiders have a reason to resub for odd numbered patches. "oh but I don't raid so this aint new"

this one did make me laughs... the hardcore community get a content every freaking 3 month, extrem savage of binding coil will only be done (and i don't say completed) by a small margin of the community that have already tons of content only dedicated to them... what the hell? why the savage was tuned down a bit, it's probably for allows more player to complete it... create a content that is only done by less of 3 freaking purcent of the community is stupid... many dev have try this in past... wow did try with naxx 60 and they was forced to reuse it in lich king for make people see it. wildstar did try.... they have ended in free to play and loose tons of player by trying to care soo much for the hardcore gamer...
but here a funny fact, the hardcore gamer of the community is only the most visible, not the biggest... do the extrem savage of binding coil is welcome... honestly, i feel it's an error... but at least 3% of the community will have a new thing to do?

- A completely new SOLO CONTENT to go with NPC into dungeons to lvl upgrade and progress with them ALSO A HIGHLY REQUESTED FEATURED by many of those who wante to do more solo content in the game, followed by rewards emotes that many has also been asking for ages something new that never had before. "oh but I don't like squadron so this aint new"

this content is... nice for new player, for old player he have... small to little interest soo far... most of us have already all our jobs 60 means we have nothing to get from squad... and i'm sure some have already every jobs 70 (talking of the combat/magic job). squad was always something wierd, something to take care every 18 hours... and forget after. ihope it will bring something... but do it's what the game was needing really hard? no, solo content is nice, but what the game lack soo bad is content at 4.

- How about a new MAP MODE to do with your friends at your own pace and enjoyment to satisfy your gambling bug and further expand the quapolis mode that a lot of people seem to enjoy. "oh but I don't have enough friends so this aint' new"

don't start me on the map... they are a scam... in my eyes they are the worst content of the game... not enough to have total random loot that often can be junk, they are glorified heavily luck based content, where if you have no chance, your map will not get you into uznair... and even if you are lucky, often you will not even pass the first door... because well luck is bxxxx... why not have make it a challenging content that ask people to be good for be allowed to continue? no, we do a luck based system with barely hard fight. not without forget that get a map is limited at 1 map per person every 18 hours. that... nice... only if you have level up gatherer for get the map... what a large portion community don't even have done it.

-Ok, how about an entire new residential area, no only that we remodeled them to allow swimming on each and everyone one of the distric we also updatedto goblets with a really nice roman style bath to increase the aesthetic of the place and allow swimming. "I don't craft so I can afford a house, I purposely choose to be on a overpopulated server so there's no way I can afford to get any of the more than 600 aviable houses and swimimg is useless this is not new"

you know that some server have very high population, i think even get a house in this new district will be... hard... plus... this district is in the game since the expansion, it was blocked for allows more player to reach it... not as content added in the 4.1... it's something added in the 4.0 that is finally working...great addition... since it's still cost an arm and most of the community will still not get a house. (and i talk of FC mostly)

we talk of emptiness in the patch, not because it don't bring new thing, it's because what it bring, don't will give a true activity for most of the player... amusingly the most interesting part of this patch was ignored by you, the tribes, that give an activity... but even this is limited in the time... if it's like heavensward it will be between 20-30 minutes for finish the quest per day... what we do ask is for a true activity outside raiding... outside pvp... we do ask for content that will give us a reason to play more than a few hours per week... some player will probably do one dungeon and them tribes per day, a few raid for get them loot and not play anymore...

leading to a lack of people around most of the time, impossible to create a community or activity that will tie people together... someone have said it's a massively online game... sadly most player only play with a small group of friend the size changing, but it's often around 10-20 people max... it's not massive.. it's not a mmorpg... people around me are not different than npc i will probably never talk with... because we lack the content to go meet new player... raid are not means for this, pvp is not means for this... this need to work on a content that will not lock us in our group of friend... force us to do stuff together...

i regret the hamlet of the V1... even if it was not that great, it was still forcing player to play together...

here the hardcore gamer will go in the bubble do them content and we will still have a large part of the community that will have no content to play with... strangely deep dungeon did allows me to meet tons of fun and interesting people... it was lacking in many way, but with work, it will have been a content that can rivalize and be an alternative endgame for the game... is not because we will get a content challenging and reward at 4 that raid will become irevelant, it will only offer more choice... and that what we need, more choice..

we need something that will break the format of FF14 offer new possibilty and a true evolution to the game. deep dungeon can if they work on it, be this... they need to work on this asap. but i'm not stupid, i know it will not come soon, it recquire time and work... but for the futur expansion, they need to plan that the content release in the 5.1... is not the relic... it's the content to 4 player. because never the game was more active than when the deep dungeon was added, and that a truth... even diadem and hunt have never meet as much activity.

[Lambdafish]

we talk of emptiness in the patch, not because it don't bring new thing, it's because what it bring, don't will give a true activity for most of the player... (and everything else you wrote)

This is a theme park MMO designed to provide something for everyone (not everything for one demographic)

Also, stop with the abusive language. Using terms like "white knight" to dismiss Myas post just hurts your argument and shows that you don't have one. There are people legitimately excited for this patch, and calling them white knights for saying as such shows how single minded your views are. Your deconstruction of the new content screams of bias, saying things like "pvp was never the focus and only 20% of people do it" dismisses the players that do do it, and your statement about raiding shows your ignorance towards what raiding has become (i.e. puggable).

What your post can be summarised to is that you don't personally enjoy some of the content on offer (because it isn't designed for you), and because of that anyone who does is wrong.

One thing you say that is somewhat right is that XIV could use some mixing up in terms of patch structure (which I would argue that ultimate coil has done, even if not for you personally), but just because this patch isn't 100% new content that you can consume all of doesn't make it a "bad" or "empty" patch.

[LaylaTsarra]

Also, stop with the abusive language. Using terms like "white knight" to dismiss Myas post just hurts your argument and shows that you don't have one

Exactly heaven forbid someone doesn't agree and actually likes the content in this patch or in the game in general.

And another QOL change coming in 4.1. Will be interesting to see the full patch notes before passing judgement on a release.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/002170.html

[JunseiKei]

I raid as well doesn't mean I feel like raiders deserve a whole fight amongst themselves.

One fight after four years sounds fair. Truthfully, one could argue it was overdue. Again, because it doesn't suit your tastes, it's simply not content.

Yes. One fight after four years.

- A completely new DESPERATELY needed and required by the hardcore community raid mode, that extends the live of the hardcore community adding a new flavor to the raiding scene and longetivity value to not only the community but the raid scene itself as it's required to clear savage to access ultimate and there's thousands of people still in in V3. And hardcore raiders have a reason to resub for odd numbered patches. "oh but I don't raid so this aint new"

this one did make me laughs... the hardcore community get a content every freaking 3 month

Wrong. Raiders get content to do roughly every 6 months (raid tiers come out roughly x.05, x.2 and x.4). However, that is raiders and you need not be hardcore to raid - that's just a stigma EU and NA players have thrown onto it and the Japanese player-base have otherwise proven to be a myth. There has been a lack of hardcore content. The Second Coil of Bahamut Savage was pretty much looked on as a failure. Gordias nearly killed raiding because of the difficulty spike that was met for player demands for more difficulty, but otherwise taught SE that if they are going to put challenging content in, it needs to be annexed from the content that "midcore" players could complete. The actual hardcore players beat Gordias quickly (not the same day, but still quickly), leaving the rest of the raiding scene struggling.

They had no content to do. Actual no content. Not this, "I don't like it, therefore I won't do it" mentality of no content.

[silentwindfr]

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i did use this word because the point bring don't work... some are even not really update... more release of content put on hold (like the residential area)
at the start of the discution between us, i was pointing that the patch content was lacking, mostly because the focus of this patch was not the right one the game was needing badly. and that still my point.

the ultimate coil was something that wasn't urgent as content... that my point, that something that was deserving even to be push to 4.3.... instead it was pushed in 4.1... even to the point that eureka was pushed back to 4.2.... what normally was the heart of this patch... eureka was the new content that did make the odd patch loose 1 dungeon... and this content don't come before 4.2.

why i'm not fond of ultimate, it's because that for a soo small part of the community, not many people will beat it, not even try to beat it... because like they have said it's extremly hard. focusing the developement on content that will serve only a niche in the community soo early in the extension is a bad move... and that the whole point and we are agreeing on this... the mixing up of the patch is bad... the game is unbalanced by the lack of content in some area that we deseperatly need.

we can't use the dungeon expert as real content that will keep player to play... a lot of people do story mode dungeon and don't touch savage... for multiple reason, not enough time, not enough skill, not enough friend for it. depending of the server it can be complicate to get into a raid... plus the mentality of some people can be draining and disguste people from raiding... the good example are the extrem where at the first wipe (some time on small mistake that people will probably never redone) lead to a group disband.

right now the community is a mess... the toxic level of some people reach... some dangerous states. i was raiding in the v2... but with heavenward i didn't touch it and stormblood i did try... really... but... it's not fun to spend time to find people for get one try and disband and return to find people.... most of it because... people want easy win.... mostly because we lack content that force people to change them mind about difficulty..

that why i ask content at 4 challenging and rewarding, for force player to try harder, to get skill, to change mentality.

don't get me wrong, i know everything i say will have no impact, but i say it... not in the hope to see it next patch, but for the next expansion, for make them realize that focus only on raid, pvp is not a solution, we really need a true activity that can rivalize with both. bring back group in middle of the this... and even bring hamlet back... upgrade it and make the community of the server work together one more time...


ps: is not because people are happy with what bring 4.1 that it don't means it don't lack on some point. i don't say it's a bad patch, i say it lack some stuff... and that some add was not urgent and was maybe needed later...