Black Mage

[Lastelli]

Uhmmmm. Do not forget that fflogs underestimate thunder's damage, so blm's dps is actually much closer to sam's than many people think. I wouldn't call blm damage "lackluster".

I won't argue against the other points, but blm and sam were designed to be the selfish dps with little utility. If SE were to give BLM some sort of utility, they should heavily nerf its damage.

[BlackcatChen]

Uhmmmm. Do not forget that fflogs underestimate thunder's damage, so blm's dps is actually much closer to sam's than many people think. I wouldn't call blm damage "lackluster".

I won't argue against the other points, but blm and sam were designed to be the selfish dps with little utility. If SE were to give BLM some sort of utility, they should heavily nerf its damage.

Before saying this, I suggest going up to a Striking Dummy, place Thunder III on it, and watch its ticks carefully on the floating text. You'll notice something interesting that you did not know before posting this. You are actually overestimating Thunder's DoT.

Also, other way around. They're way too close in personal damage right now to classes that DO provide raid damage buffs in its same slot. Namely MCH and SMN. BLM and SAM need vastly more personal DPS than they have now if they are to stay as "selfish dps with little utility".

[Lastelli]

Before saying this, I suggest going up to a Striking Dummy, place Thunder III on it, and watch its ticks carefully on the floating text. You'll notice something interesting that you did not know before posting this. You are actually overestimating Thunder's DoT.

You mean that act overestimates thunder's dot? I was aware of that, but iirc that's why after you upload logs to fflogs blm's dps is usually 200-300 points lower than what you could see on act. However, it would seem that fflogs severely underestimates thunder's damage because it doesn't consider the enochian 5% buff, but I might be wrong of course.

I agree, however, that sam and blm dps is too close to other jobs' that also provide rDPS utility. They should have nerfed brd instead of buffing mch. And they're clearly making a huge mistake with 4.1 drg and mch buff.