4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[Pence]

For me, I'll always take quality over quantity, so if the new duties ooze of developer creativity and are engaging and fun and not just the same old formula, I won't complain. Return to Ivalice has so much potential, so I hope they try to step out of the box and are not afraid to experiment with it. I saw a swimming scene in the trailer, which gives me a small glimmer of hope.

Swimming is not innovative or exciting 'content'. I'd say it's probably the largest waste of development for any game I've seen in a while. It has no function. Except to 'look pretty'...but with yet another loading zone. By the second or third run I guarantee everyone will hit the 'Ugh, here's the slow Swimming part of the dungeon'

[Elkanah]

Too many little things that help make the bullet points like yours a little bit longer. People want content that is going to last long enough through the next patch cycle. This is where Eureka/relic could have helped tremendously as it is usually a grind. So I do understand people's frustration. The little things like Bard's perform, squads, and UI improvements should of taken a back seat or slowly worked on after actual core content like Eureka or the 2nd Deep Dungeon.

This would have done it, even if the content is the same at this point. Eureka has been my one thing I've been basically hoping to hear about, and all they keep doing is pushing it back. This content is going to fall out for 4.1 because they're focusing on things that could be other short extensions to add for a 24-48hr period outside the major patches related content to allow going from one patch to the next to last long enough.

[Elkanah]

Swimming is not innovative or exciting 'content'. I'd say it's probably the largest waste of development for any game I've seen in a while. It has no function. Except to 'look pretty'...but with yet another loading zone. By the second or third run I guarantee everyone will hit the 'Ugh, here's the slow Swimming part of the dungeon'

If swimming is considered compelling new exciting and innovative content that players in this community feel are better than actual content, then this games community is actually more an issue than I thought it was.

[Rufalus]

You know how much win trading and botting is making pvp happen? Do you know how many different forums are out there right now with issues of people win trading and cheating, and yet since BEFORE the feast, the pvp content has had that same consistent issue that squeenix hasn't addressed? Know how fast that's going to die out? If you give content, and aren't bothering to listening to the feedback of the community, you're just feeding the flame, and not helping to cast out the fire.

I won't defend that part. Hands down, cheating is the thing I hate the most about the game. People botting, position hacking, win trading and nothing being done to stop it can definitely ruin all the fun, undermine all the work that was done. So personally I think the dev team do a good job overall with content creation, but the moderating / policing side is lacking badly.

[Lufir]

You know how much win trading and botting is making pvp happen? Do you know how many different forums are out there right now with issues of people win trading and cheating, and yet since BEFORE the feast, the pvp content has had that same consistent issue that squeenix hasn't addressed? Know how fast that's going to die out? If you give content, and aren't bothering to listening to the feedback of the community, you're just feeding the flame, and not helping to cast out the fire.

Oh god, I didn't know how bad botting was in Frontlines until a month ago. I queued with friend later at night when we got put into a 24 man as Flames. We were the only 2 people not botting on our team. There were about 3/8 people on Maelstrom who were legit playing. The whole Adders team was botting in the middle. Crazy.

[Elkanah]

Oh god, I didn't know how bad botting was in Frontlines until a month ago. I queued with friend later at night when we got put into a 24 man as Flames. We were the only 2 people not botting on our team. There were about 3/8 people on Maelstrom who were legit playing. The whole Adders team was botting in the middle. Crazy.

It's incredibly sad and very discouraging that PVP isn't enjoyable anymore. Even the top 100 for the Feast are having issues due to the problems with the win trading and dropping. It's been said multiple times about the issue, and yet squeenix does nothing. This has been a problem before the release of the feast, and now it's even more noticeable than it was before. It's been deterring people from wanting to enjoy PVP or do it much.

Ye but sticking to a game that you clearly don't like anymore and just complaining on the forum while dissing any content that you don't like as useless it's not makiing you any good

As someone who has played from 1.0 and being a loyal FFXIV player at it's worst of history to ARR at its best, and someone who does the content in this game, I WANT to find things to do to STAY and subbed. I love the people I've met in this game. I love the game as a whole. I actually care about the quality of this game enough that I give my money to Squeenix every fricken month, even if it's not a time I play or enjoy playing. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here. Eureka will be the turning point for many folks. Maybe just me, but if Eureka isn't something new and innovating that makes me want to stay, I'll cancel my sub that day, and you'll get your wish, as many others will.

[Remedi]

Wouldn't have even bothered to say anything had they at LEAST shown us Eureka, even with the push back to advise us what we can expect. Yes, I'm aware that some of that content or that there had been interviews that they will be deciding to stay with a consistent formula. But, as I've learned from world of warcraft forums from someone: "basically every MMO is about redoing the same content over and over again. Liking that or not is personal taste". But hey, I guess having many people quit the game, not keeping people and bringing in new people and those people becoming veterans to run into the same issue and also quitting, repeating the cycle must be okay for you.

Ye but sticking to a game that you clearly don't like anymore and just complaining on the forum while dissing any content that you don't like as useless it's not makiing you any good

[Pence]

If swimming is considered compelling new exciting and innovative content that players in this community feel are better than actual content, then this games community is actually more an issue than I thought it was.

It's more the Dev team adding it thinking it was actually adding something to the game that we wanted and would be excited about. But feels disgustingly forced, boring and like a chore.

[Mug]

Swimming is not innovative or exciting 'content'. I'd say it's probably the largest waste of development for any game I've seen in a while. It has no function. Except to 'look pretty'...but with yet another loading zone. By the second or third run I guarantee everyone will hit the 'Ugh, here's the slow Swimming part of the dungeon'

No, I agree. Swimming without any sort of purpose other than to get from A to B is definitely not exciting content, but it gives me hope that they might have done something different with the raid. I'm most likely reading too much in to it, but I'm struggling to get excited for the patch, so I'm trying to hold on to any kind of hope that they've shaken things up a little =/

[Neophyte]

If you don't like to just play the game, no ammount of content will help you anyway.

Someone in this thread said: "mh, patchday will be log in, buy a house, do story, run new dungeon +24, do shinryu with static and done

1 day of content \o/"

Soooo.. 3 dungeons, 2x 24 man, 3 ex trials and 50 MSQ will last you 3 days then.

Doesn't sound that reasonable to invest three times the money in a patch just to keep the quickly bored people 1-2 days longer out of the forums.