4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[SendohJin]

There has been a continual downgrade in content since 2.0 and even 3.0 so when 5.0 comes out and they release even less content your going to be okay with it?

Your going to white knight SE no matter what I post so not going to waste my time anymore.

3.x as a series is definitely less than 2.x, there's no denying that.

2.x is a lot easier to add things, add maps when there were no maps, add hunts when there were no hunts, add beast tribe quests to tons of tribes that already existed in the base game.

expansions are going to be tougher. people want to build on top of everything in the previous expansions and add new stuff at the same time.

that's why the only apples to apples comparison to 4.1 was 3.1 and you still fail to do it. that instinctively not being your first comparison already says a lot.

[Jxnibbles]

Yeah, I think a lot of their focus went into squadrons and a metric crap ton of QoL changes. And the dungeon/raid of course. Housing and the remodeling to certain areas of what we already have no doubt took some time as well, But with all the other things they're adding, it really does add up to be about on par with where we were an expansion ago. Just not things that EVERYONE cares about. 4.15 should add a couple more small things (like the PvP mode I believe), but its a shame Eureka's being pushed back. I'd prefer they do it right though than release it half baked like they did with Diadem.

Wasn't Diadem 2.0 also delayed and that did so well..

[Vahlnir]

Wasn't Diadem 2.0 also delayed and that did so well..

(I was trying to be optimistic)

[SendohJin]

It's not 'nothing', but it does seem like less and less is being done. I'd be totally fine with them taking off yet another dungeon in development if I saw the resources going elsewhere.

Perhaps it really is that squadron AI that took the brunt of the effort. Which... probably isn't going to be all that useful, for now.

if the only thing that's missing is 1 expert dungeon

what 4.1 has that's new are
- Squadron AI
- Uznair expansion
- Ultimate Savage fight

those are 3 brand new things for players of varying difficulty level.

[Sicno]

Probably the biggest void that makes the patch feel somewhat lacking is the delay of Eureka. And people were expecting to see more from other features when a 2nd regular dungeon was sacrificed for it. It doesn't help that on the live letter they didn't do live demonstrations of 2 big pieces of content, Return to Ivalice (for not wanting to "show too much") and the new pvp mode (for lack of a proper environment). In both cases it was weird, if they didn't want to ruin surprises in Return to Ivalice then why go live to the entrance and stay there teasing us? And on Rival Wings, if they can't make a proper live demonstration then why not come with some pre-recorded demo to get a better idea of how it plays?

But even then all that content is still coming, it's just that today they didn't have as much to show as we may have expected for one reason or another. So to quote Yoshi (even though he said this originally at a terrible moment), "we need to calm down".

To make a fair comparison of the ammount of content we're getting here are the trailers for 3.1 and 4.1. There are some paralels, but it's not that simple to compare on where they're different. Eureka seems to be the biggest thing missing. I really hope the extra time they're taking on it serves to make an enjoyable experience and that it's not Diadem 4.0 (but I'm not getting my hopes high after they took down the original Diadem for a long time only to slap some fates on it).

3.1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkRTO7co_Yc

4.1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWBYwa-7IvY

[Aomine1992]

Yea they are going to have to hustle up because there are some great changes coming and things but I doubt this patch content will even last the whole month of october before ppl only log in for expert dailies and savage weeklies......there is no gear gates or anything so those great raids teams will have cleared ultimate pretty quick...24 man will be a wipe rest the first day or two and then turn into something you have to force yourself to do....

People couldn't even clear shinryu normal so I imagine ex will join the ranks of "steps or faith" and "final steps of faith" meaning people suck terribly at simple mechanics...Sooo overall 4.1 won't last long at all lol

[missybee]

It's a good patch, it's not my fault you don't do high-end content. You really think us raiders are okay with just weekly clears of O1S-O4S savage for 6 months? Get real.

We get more content, Shinryu Extreme and Coil Ultimate. More content to last.

You really think two fights are going to keep people engaged for months?

Shinryu will be mid-core content, and Unending is just for bragging rights as far as I recall. If it is truly as hard as it purports to be, statics will fall apart trying to clear it since the incentive is minimal.

Edit: I didn't realize Unending dropped a 345 weapon, so there is some incentive. My mistake.

[Rita1989]

To be fair, there was very little to do in 2.0 patch at start of ARR. There were only Praetorium speed runs for Philo tomes and Amdapoor Keep was the only weekly cap tomestone giving dungeon. Or you could keep doing Titan HM to help out in PUGs. There were multiple bugs with Twintania raid boss as well necessitating Raid being shutdown for several weeks. Those were dark times before patch 2.1.

2.0 was a brand new game though and I dont really remember being bored before 2.1 the entire game was new at that time.

We are now in the 2nd expansion now and they tell us that they are making all this money and have an increased budget for SB but the content is slowly become less and less and cant even deliver on their promises when its less content then before.

With no relic I cant see myself subbing past November at this point until 4.2 and I dont think I am alone, most people wont bother to complain they will just let their sub fall and potentially never return.

When 5.0 is announced to have even less content because the budget was reduced due to lower profit how many people are going to stick around?

I am seriously concerned for the long term viability of the game for the first time, we dont have WoW numbers to take a huge subscriber hit.

[MyaValentine]

You really think two fights are going to keep people engaged for months?

Shinryu will be mid-core content, and Unending is just for bragging rights as far as I recall. If it is truly as hard as it purports to be, statics will fall apart trying to clear it since the incentive is minimal.

yeah because suddenly everyone has cleared v4 and savage doesn't exist, please.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You really think two fights are going to keep people engaged for months?

Shinryu will be mid-core content, and Unending is just for bragging rights as far as I recall. If it is truly as hard as it purports to be, statics will fall apart trying to clear it since the incentive is minimal.

Plenty of raiders still clear Neo for parses or to run on alt jobs. Shinryu will be kept alive by the mount farm.