4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[Felis]

Treasure Maps were added in 2.1, The Aquapolis was added in 3.3. Feels like said expansion has happened before.

Apartments only happened 2 patches ago...

There's only 5 dungeons you can run with Squads. You can not get Squads until 47. So you could probably easily solo any dungeon these are used in by this point.

For 1 job, yes.
Not for all jobs who are still low level

[Hierro]

We get:

a new housing district, a new 24 man, a new MOBA styled pvp mode, a new dungeon, super savage, beast tribe

what more do you want? that's pretty standard and has a lot. i don't recall the other patches being particularly better. this is pretty damn good.

[Rita1989]

lot's of people complaining have yet to see 1 that says what is actaully less about this patch compared to other patches please don't even dare to say less dungeons.

Potentially no relic for 1 thing

look at 2.1 patch notes for comparison to what we are getting in this patch, 3 ex primals + Ultima HM + Mog HM, 3 dungeons, 1 raid, 2 beast tribes a new pvp mode, Hildebrande and we got the relic in 2.15, free company housing, treasure hunting was introduced

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

They have been slowly scaling back the content every time and people keep white knighting them for it and accepting it.

[Ametrine]

Poor Lords of Vermionion and your awful, awful UI. (Seriously why is it the only thing in the game that doesn't have a proper controller layout??)

Super Savage, or, specifically, a mode so hard only the most elite players can complete, is sadly something that is oft requested despite the low turnout to high difficulty content. Insane difficulty was something FFXI was infamous for, so I think it's more bleed from that game along with desiring some real street cred for the game itself and the players that will eventually clear it.

I'm waffling on if it'd be better if Super Savage is cleared in a few weeks or takes a year or two.

[Rita1989]

Poor Lords of Vermionion and your awful, awful UI. (Seriously why is it the only thing in the game that doesn't have a proper controller layout??)

Super Savage, or, specifically, a mode so hard only the most elite players can complete, is sadly something that is oft requested despite the low turnout to high difficulty content. Insane difficulty was something FFXI was infamous for, so I think it's more bleed from that game along with desiring some real street cred for the game itself and the players that will eventually clear it.

I'm waffling on if it'd be better if Super Savage is cleared in a few weeks or takes a year or two.

Super Savage will be cleared in under a week by world 1st groups most likely there is no ilvl increase this patch and they are BiS on everything

[SendohJin]

look at 2.1 patch notes

why don't you compare to 3.1 instead of the patch that released everything that didn't make it in time for the relaunch of the game.

[Felis]

Potentially no relic for 1 thing

look at 2.1 patch notes for comparison to what we are getting in this patch, 3 ex primals + Ultima HM + Mog HM, 3 dungeons, 1 raid, 2 beast tribes a new pvp mode, Hildebrande and we got the relic in 2.15, free company housing, treasure hunting was introduced.

Mog HM was reused and not really new.
it was new in 1.21, but not in 2.1. Only new were the effect graphics.

[technole]

And where is this "data" again? Coz I've searched and your the only one that I can find that says it. And what crystal ball did you look into that only 1/2 people would be able to do the Ultimate fight? And what makes you think this is a side project coz the patch isn't out yet?

Alexander Creator Savage clear (A12S) rates in last column, this was in March before Echo. It's based on the polling all lodestones for the mount since cheeves can be hidden. It's a good estimate, but of course since only one mount drops a week for raid during lockout, there is obviously groups that don't have all 8/8.

It is also a good representation oh how disparate NA/EU vs JP is when it comes to high-end raiding.

[Rita1989]

why don't you compare to 3.1 instead of the patch that released everything that didn't make it in time for the relaunch of the game.

2.3 we got 3 dungeons, 1 raid, 1 hm + ex fight, Hildebrande trial, 4 savage raids, front lines pvp and the hunt was added

Edit: 3.1 while marked a downgrade from 2.x series still had more content then 4.1. The 3.1 patch failed because the content flopped and they took such a long time to get it out

[SendohJin]

2.3 we got 3 dungeons, 1 raid, 1 hm + ex fight, Hildebrande trial, 4 savage raids, front lines pvp and the hunt was added

what is your reluctance to compare apples to apples? 2.3 is not the first patch after an expansion either.

Edit: 3.1 while marked a downgrade from 2.x series still had more content then 4.1. The 3.1 patch failed because the content flopped and they took such a long time to get it out

more like what? you were so gung-ho to list everything for 2.1 and 2.3 but for 3.1 it's too much effort to actually list?