When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[HyoMinPark]

Well back when I mained ninja I noticed that when I place doton on the ground, the tanks immediately move every mob out of it. Additionally some classes just have very low AoE dps. In some cases it is probably faster to single target each mob. Like with red mage for example.

Also nobody is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to do big pulls all the time. It's not very fun to see the tank kite a bunch of mobs over half a dungeons that you can't attack on the move while you see your huton or dualcast evaporate.

RDM should AOE at 3+ mobs. Scatter is 200 potency for the Scatter+Dualcast Scatter. Sure, mana builds up "slower," but it's higher potency, meaning things will die faster. Enchanted Moulinet is more potent at 3 mobs versus single target melee + nuke.

Yes, it goes both ways, which is why people should stop trying to shape the DF into whatever they want it. It's just DF. Just something that puts together a party.

You can decide on your own with the party you get to kick someone, but don't try to frame it like some unwritten rule that everybody, or even a majority, of the people should follow.

Except... people should still be using AOEs rather than just outright refusing... That's just proper play.

[JunseiKei]

Additionally some classes just have very low AoE dps. In some cases it is probably faster to single target each mob. Like with red mage for example.

What? Red mages have great AoE. Just because it doesn't feel impactful doesn't mean it's not more efficient to AoE DPS. I also have no idea why people keep saying monk has bad AoE DPS; it actually has amazing AoE DPS!

Every job has a well written guide that covers AoE rotations, when to use them, et cetra. The same people that, apparently, will look up guides for dungeons, don't look up guides for their classes. That's pretty mind blowing to me. People should absolutely be removed from a run for not contributing adequately, especially if asked or talked about before the removal is initiated.

[bswpayton]

Well back when I mained ninja I noticed that when I place doton on the ground, the tanks immediately move every mob out of it. Additionally some classes just have very low AoE dps. In some cases it is probably faster to single target each mob. Like with red mage for example.

Also nobody is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to do big pulls all the time. It's not very fun to see the tank kite a bunch of mobs over half a dungeons that you can't attack on the move while you see your huton or dualcast evaporate.

why wouldnt I do big pulls tho thats why I have df cool downs, and aoe , If I did three add pulls Id hardly have a reason to use half my skills in a dungeon

[AkashiXI]

Wow I'm late to the party, but my answer would be a resounding yes, if you already tried to communicate with them. I understand some people don't want to talk in DF, or they're extra lazy and don't give it their 100%, but that's no excuse in not playing your job correctly. Would you tolerate a Summoner not using dots? What about a Black Mage who drains his MP but does nothing to regenerate it? A Monk that refuses to use Fist of Fire? These are basic mechanics for their jobs, basic. If a Samurai refuses to AoE, a Bard who doesn't Quick Nock, I will pass the vote. Sorry, your job is easily replaceable.

[DPZ2]

Then for the actual thread: If you're doing low-level content you have to keep in mind when the jobs get their aoes... Then Dragoon only get doom spike at level 40.

at 40 you get Doomspike, and hope the Tank has nicely lined up the 8 mobs they just pulled so that this Straight. Line. AoE will actually touch more than 2 of them.

At 50, you get Dragonfire Dive, a truly great AoE. Once. Every. Two. Minutes.

At 60, you get Geirskogul, a truly great AoE. Once. Every. Thirty-five. Seconds. IF the tank lines up more than 2 of the mobs.

At 62, you get Sonic Thrust, a so-so AoE unless you alternate it with Doomspike and IF THE TANK LINES UP MORE THAN 2 of the mobs.

See a pattern here?

I have a better chance of AoE as Bard using Quick Nock and Rain of Death.

Not all DPS are built for great AoE.

In my opinion, the stupidest tank is the one who pulls massively with a Dragoon and Monk in tow.

[Cenerae]

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Doomspike isn't that hard to aim, though. As long as the mobs are all on the tank as they should be, and he isn't being a dingbat and having stuff tanked both in front and behind him, it's not that difficult to position so that the line passes through at least the majority of the enemies.

I'm not sure why you think it's such a big problem, the projectile isn't needle thin or anything.

[bswpayton]

at 40 you get Doomspike, and hope the Tank has nicely lined up the 8 mobs they just pulled so that this Straight. Line. AoE will actually touch more than 2 of them.

This is crazy talk Ive seen dragoons and ninjas melt mobs faster than two casters, you keep talkin about the tank when Im playing dragoon I just simply move to get the best aim as long as the tank is using df cool downs. And if they are using aoe as well because wow dang if dps want even use aoe then the amount of tanks that dont use it is even worse, a good tank will use their aoe as well if they are doing this then dragoon can do tons of aoe damage

[ZodiarkFC]

I only kick lalafells.

I 2nd this

[JunseiKei]

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As long as you hit 4 enemies in 1 attack, you're doing more DPS.

Again, monk does great AoE. If that dragon that think it can't AoE actually AoEs, the two melee won't have issues. If only 1 is AoEing, there's not going to be enough damage going out and there will be issues.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

In my opinion, the stupidest tank is the one who pulls massively with a Dragoon and Monk in tow.

Uh... Monk has monstrous aoe, and Dragoon is no slouch either. On a mass pull, even if Doom Spike misses a few mobs, it will still far surpass single targets. Once again, let's calculate numbers.

Heavy Thrust + Full Thrust combo + Fang & Claw + Wheeling Thrust + Geirskogul equates to 1,810 potency to a single target.
Heavy Thrust + Doom Spike + Sonic Thrust + Geirskogul equates to 670 potency to multiple targets. This is achieved with three less button presses. Adjusting for the equivalent button presses, the potency increases to 1,100.

With just six mobs pulled, Dragoon AoE potency reaches 6,600 potency compared to a single target rotation only reaching 2,910 (Geirskogul would still hit multiple targets). Bear in mind, numbers would further increase with Dragonfire Dive, Nastrond and utility buffs. Basically, there is no reason to ever single target during big pulls.