When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[Gallus]

And it's not as easy as politely ask them to aoe, it's not only about having the spells or skills binded, it's about knowing and being familiar with your aoe rotation. Imagine someone not knowing how to DPS as sam for example. As simple as it is, it requires at least a few minutes of practice, you can't suddenly spit your freshly binded aoe rotation like you've done it for years.

[Balipu]

Well back when I mained ninja I noticed that when I place doton on the ground, the tanks immediately move every mob out of it. Additionally some classes just have very low AoE dps. In some cases it is probably faster to single target each mob. Like with red mage for example.

Also nobody is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to do big pulls all the time. It's not very fun to see the tank kite a bunch of mobs over half a dungeons that you can't attack on the move while you see your huton or dualcast evaporate.

[Kahnom]

I dont kick, the run is going to be slow, but it's going to be done at some point.

I rather just do the dungeon and speed it up in my own way than worry about kicking someone else.

This is what I do too.
To stop then type "why don't you AOE ?"
and wait for them to respond is just wasting time.

[Lazaruz]

Also nobody is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to do big pulls all the time. It's not very fun to see the tank kite a bunch of mobs over half a dungeons that you can't attack on the move while you see your huton or dualcast evaporate.

Took the words right outof my mouth
If you as the tank notices that the group, for whatever reason, cannot handle the pull you want to do, I genuinely think it's their absolute responsibility to slow down the pull, and do it in a way everyone in the group is capable of, since, as people said, the DPS might not be familiar with their AoE rotation, and speaking personally, I'd absolutely agree that for some classes, the AoE potential is lacking to say the least, and as someone who plays a healer quite alot, I'd absolutely, in that instance of you being on a DPS class with low AoE potential, preffer that you single target mobs if it allows you to kill them quicker, and thin the group, because the sooner that pack of 10+ mobs becomes, lets say 8 mobs, the sooner you're gonna stop overworking me on heals.

Basicly, you might have the right to set the pace as a tank, but you still gotta keep it within a range everyone is comfortable with, and while I'd normally quite heavily disagree that someone refusing to conform to the playstyle you expect, is grounds for a kick, I also know SE's gone on record more or less declaring it a acceptable reason to have people removed. Just dont expect me to agree if faced with that type of Vote Kick, as I in general do not understand the attitude of needing to "speedrun" dungeon content

[SomeRandomHuman]

Well back when I mained ninja I noticed that when I place doton on the ground, the tanks immediately move every mob out of it. Additionally some classes just have very low AoE dps. In some cases it is probably faster to single target each mob. Like with red mage for example.

Also nobody is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to do big pulls all the time. It's not very fun to see the tank kite a bunch of mobs over half a dungeons that you can't attack on the move while you see your huton or dualcast evaporate.

I get that scatter is only 100 potency, but its also the easiest way to level both manas evenly to 90 for 3 Enhanced Moulinets. It also doesn't have the diminishing damage like almost every other aoe does. If you want something with bad aoe then go monk.

Then for the actual thread: If you're doing low-level content you have to keep in mind when the jobs get their aoes. Monk's AotD is only 50 potency and rockbreaker is coeurl stance. Then Dragoon only get doom spike at level 40.

[Hasrat]

As long as folks is doing damage, they're still contributing to progress. For all the "extra time" it takes to clear with less AoE, you would literally be wasting just as much time stopping to request AoEs, stopping to vote kick, stopping to replace, stopping to rebuff.

Unless players are contributing to frequent wipes with no sign of improvement, you're only tricking yourself into thinking things are going to end any sooner either way.

[Cenerae]

I don't really understand the logic behind refusing to use AoEs. If I wanted to practise my single target rotation that badly, I would go use a striking dummy or the stone, sky, sea dummies. Or I'd queue up for a trial boss like Exdeath if I felt a need to practise while also doing mechanics.

To sit there and flat out refuse to use AoE skills on a big pull is a waste of everyone's time. That being said, I just don't care enough to kick people for failing at their role unless they're actively holding the group back. IE a ice mage, or a summoner who plays like he's still a level 1 arcanist.

5-10 extra minutes won't kill me at the end of the day. Plus, it would be hypocritical to boot a DPS for being bad at their role when nobody wants to kick healers or tanks that aren't playing properly either.

[Ashiee]

I mean, this all comes down to if you are going to kick people for playing their classes at a subpar level. Not AoEing as a DPS on large packs isn't the most offensive thing I've seen people do in duty finder, but it does make runs go slower... but so do a lot of things like healers not DPSing when there's no one to heal or people just simply not even hitting their GCDs at a timely pace. I personally don't usually care what other DPS are doing, only time it annoys me is when someone is doing something really stupid, like a BLM is sitting and casting blizzard 1 40 times in a row in lvl 70 content... that would make me want to kick them but I usually just leave DF if something like that ever happens.

[LunarEmerald]

Well back when I mained ninja I noticed that when I place doton on the ground, the tanks immediately move every mob out of it. Additionally some classes just have very low AoE dps. In some cases it is probably faster to single target each mob. Like with red mage for example.

Also nobody is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to do big pulls all the time. It's not very fun to see the tank kite a bunch of mobs over half a dungeons that you can't attack on the move while you see your huton or dualcast evaporate.

This is wrong. No dps job in the game at 70 has weak aoe dps. Especially not Red Mage. Scatter is hardly weak when you factor in dual cast. You're throwing out (200 x # of enemies) potency damage that doesn't degrade every few seconds. They can also sustain that infinitely.

When you add sixte and enchanted moulinet on top of that, Red Mage has high aoe damage.

[Zfz]

Yes, it goes both ways, which is why people should stop trying to shape the DF into whatever they want it. It's just DF. Just something that puts together a party.

You can decide on your own with the party you get to kick someone, but don't try to frame it like some unwritten rule that everybody, or even a majority, of the people should follow.

DF is just DF, if you expect anything other than "having a party", then you need to use PF.