Dear Healers who don't DPS

[Lastelli]

I really want to point out how some people here only consider the "technical" aspect of the problem (no DPS = loss of efficiency) and totally ignore the "personal" aspect of that problem (new, unconfident, lack of time to play, not skilled...).

Not really. The whole healers dps argument is precisely about the personal aspect because we've had tons of people trying to justify healers not dpsing arguing that "it's not their job, so they don't have to".
People that support healers dps argue that a healer not dpsing is just "new, unconfident, lack of time to play, not skilled..." as you said or just bad/watching netflix during an instance (trust me, this is NOT a joke, it's what a lot of players do and not just healers).
Therein lies the problem. People that defend healers that refuse to dps typically don't want to acknowledge this lack of skill or experience. They're healers, they heal, they don't have to dps, as long as they heal they're good players, that's what they usually say. I think no one here ever suggested that a healer should make dps their #1 priority. But a good healer is not one that uses 1/3 of their toolkit and is active for 50% of an encounter, that's for sure.

[Jollyy5]

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Exactly, it's not fair if the healer gives 20% while everyone else is giving 100%.

People who argue that they don't need to DPS need to take a tour in the Hall of the Novice.

[Kabooa]

Exactly, it's not fair if the healer gives 20% while everyone else is giving 100%.

People who argue that they don't need to DPS need to take a tour in the Hall of the Novice.

Everyone else giving 100% is plain not true.

Which is why these threads tend to be nothing more than a way to vent.

[Taika]

Everyone else giving 100% is plain not true.

Alright, the healer giving only 17% while everyone else giving 72-77% then. :P

Ehhhh

That's hardly fair. Xelphatol does like no damage. At all :P

And that's the whole topic of the discussion: healers who refuse to DPS even when there's almost no incoming damage at all...

[Kabooa]

Alright, the healer giving only 17% while everyone else giving 72-77% then. :P

Ehhhh

That's hardly fair. Xelphatol does like no damage. At all :P

[era1Ne]

Exactly, it's not fair if the healer gives 20% while everyone else is giving 100%.

People who argue that they don't need to DPS need to take a tour in the Hall of the Novice.

Alright, the healer giving only 17% while everyone else giving 72-77% then. :P

Pushing buttons is NOT giving 70 or 100%. You can literally press one button as an dd all the time and watch netflix. How does this make you better than an healer only healing? He has to at least watch the hp of the tank and react with an healing spell. This whole "but they stay afk, while every dd hits buttons"- argument is just ignorant.

[MoroMurasaki]

Pushing buttons is NOT giving 70 or 100%. You can literally press one button as an dd all the time and watch netflix. How does this make you better than an healer only healing? He has to at least watch the hp of the tank and react with an healing spell.

The difference here is that there is no tank, healer or DPS that would defend a DPS pushing one button and watching netflix. For some reason people still clamor to defend a zero DPS healer.

[era1Ne]

The difference here is that there is no tank, healer or DPS that would defend a DPS pushing one button and watching netflix. For some reason people still clamor to defend a zero DPS healer.

Thats your assumption. Yesterday an friend of mine got blamed, because she couldn't heal the group up, while they didn't kill the add and got one shot in haukke (hard) because they didn't do their dd job, despite them "pushing buttons". I've encountert stuff like this myself in the past. Althought this is relativ rare. For instance, i was as an tank in wall and then the dd couldn't kill those low hp adds in time and we wiped. The first sentence of them was "tank/heal why didn't you attack the add". Ignoring completely that even with a few random buttons/attacks those adds are killable. Hey you can kill them solo as a tank.

Ofc only pushing one button in the previous post was exaggerate, but they are not giving 100% and you can't use "pushing buttons" as an argument really. Would be the same as saying an healer using vita every gcd is considert doing more than an healer thinking about his heals and than standing around, because he is scared or something. In other words an healer not using his aoe heals and using vita to heal the group up, would be worse imo, despite him pushing more buttons than the other maybe inexperienced, insecure, ... healer.

[Kabooa]

The difference here is that there is no tank, healer or DPS that would defend a DPS pushing one button and watching netflix. For some reason people still clamor to defend a zero DPS healer.

I can only speak personally in that I find going "WTF" to my monitor is all the stress relief I need when I run into the Terror Pug that these threads seem to perpetuate as some common occurrence.

Finishing a couple minutes slower won't break my day, and a sub-optimal DPS or a slow tank is going to annoy me far more than Miss/Mr. "IF THE BARS AREN'T FULL WE'RE GOING TO DIE"

Also, the sub-optimal point on Tanks and DPS is pretty spot on.

It's damn easy to be sub-optimal on a DPS class and have it fly under the radar for most people. A samurai can do it with just their basic combos and Iaijutsu, a black mage can do it with just doing a basic Fire/Ice rotation, a Ninja can do it by doing basic weapon combos and a ninjutsu...

It's not that I defend '0 derps healers', only that I don't understand why they get -so much hate- compared to the, basically same, performance of the Derps and Turnks.

[Tridus]

It's damn easy to be sub-optimal on a DPS class and have it fly under the radar for most people. A samurai can do it with just their basic combos and Iaijutsu, a black mage can do it with just doing a basic Fire/Ice rotation, a Ninja can do it by doing basic weapon combos and a ninjutsu...

It's also pretty easy to be a sub-optimal healer. I see them sometimes on my tank. They appear to have no idea what Regen/Tetra/DB are, never use Assize, and think Medica II is the only AoE heal in the game. If people are still alive, it slides by largely unnoticed by other players.

Of course, nobody is here on the forum going "it's my choice to use Medica II three times in a row instead of Medica II/Medica/PI", because we all know that's clearly a mistake and want to educate the person how to get better outcomes in the same situation.

And yeah, when I'm on my Red or Black Mage? I don't do amazing DPS. But I stay out of bad and don't tend to embarass myself a whole lot, so outside of high end content nobody much cares. If you're putting in an honest effort in DF, that's all 99% of players want.

It's not that I defend '0 derps healers', only that I don't understand why they get -so much hate- compared to the, basically same, performance of the Derps and Turnks.

Because it's a false equivalence. A DPS doing suboptimal things (not using Enochian), a tank doing suboptimal things (staying in tank stance even during an extended burn phase with no incoming damage and no risk of aggro drop), and a healer doing suboptimal things (massive overhealing, overwriting Medica II with 25 seconds left) are equivalent.

There is literally no case, EVER, where someone would defend a tank that Flashes 6 times, pops Rampart, than stands still waiting for aggro to drop before doing anything else. That is the real equivalence to a healer standing around doing nothing 75% of the fight, because that's the tank standing around doing nothing for 75% of the fight. Any tank that tried that would be kicked. If they came to the forum to complain, they'd be told to knock that crap off, because doing damage helps stuff die faster and is thus a good thing.

DPS doing that is so absurd that the very idea of it is laughable, but their closest equivalent is that Red Mage who complained about how they preferred single target spells do they didn't AoE big pulls. You know what the reaction to that was? I can tell you it wasn't "YoshiP says the content doesn't require AoE", despite the fact that it actually doesn't require AoE. You can burn all that stuff down one target a time successfully, and yet nobody considers that to be a defensible practice.

People react to this because nobody's come up with a good explain for why experienced healers deserve a free pass to stand around doing nothing while everyone else is active. When you know no damage is coming (see: O2N), toss some rocks. If you simply refuse to do that, you're actively refusing to contribute to the group when mechanically you are completely capable of doing so.