is it okay to not enjoy big pulls?

[Mavrias]

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dps being a "selfish" role is a very casual way of looking at things. and I mean no disrespect with that statement either, simply that that sort of thinking only applies to casual content (e.g. normal raids and primals, dungeons) and can easily be applied to the other two roles in the same content.

[Lilyth]

I really don't get this viewpoint, and a lot of tanks seem to have it. You're essentially playing a team based game, why do you think your feelings matter more than the rest of the party's? "I don't want to" isn't a valid reason to not do big pulls when the other three people "want to."

I definitely agree. It's not the tank who "sets the pace", it's the party. This is a team game. If the healer and DPS asks you to pull big, the least you can do is try it. Nobody likes a slacker, tanks included.

[MauvaisOeil]

dps being a "selfish" role is a very casual way of looking at things. and I mean no disrespect with that statement either, simply that that sort of thinking only applies to casual content (e.g. normal raids and primals, dungeons) and can easily be applied to the other two roles in the same content.

Yes and no. While synergy and buff coordination include more awareness and less selfishness, it's still miles behind the two other roles and quite poor in responsability or pressure either.

However, how much of the playerbase will run week1 kills ? Are we truly speaking of casual versus dedicated, or majority vs minority ?

Since the topic is about dungeon pulls and the answer specifically concerning the hardness of jobs and fewer main roles.

You cannot take 5% of the playerbase to conclude : dpsing is harder, when 95% of players avoid tank and healers roles because it's too much responsability to have something more than yourself to manage.

[bswpayton]

Yes and no. While synergy and buff coordination include more awareness and less selfishness, it's still miles behind the two other roles and quite poor in responsability or pressure either.

but ur literally pressing a button or two tankin even still is easier in a dungeon. The only time a tank really even has to fear death in a dungeon is if they are doing big pulls. while a dps can mess up one or two mechanics and still die on a dungeon boss. Same for a healer , in the 24 mans it was way harder to not die as a dps than it was tank even if i messed up a mechanic or two.

[MauvaisOeil]

but ur literally pressing a button or two tankin even still is easier in a dungeon. The only time a tank really even has to fear death in a dungeon is if they are doing big pulls. while a dps can mess up one or two mechanics and still die on a dungeon boss. Same for a healer , in the 24 mans it was way harder to not die as a dps than it was tank even if i messed up a mechanic or two.

Literally doesn't seem to mean what you think it means, really. Then how do you explain the low pop of tanks ?

[ChameleonMS]

Then how do you explain the low pop of tanks ?

EGO!!! Big numbers and flashy effects!

*ponders if DPS only players are insecure about something*

[Hookla]

Being a new player to this game I picked warrior as my first class. Now I'll admit I do not like big pulls, it is what it is, but that's life. You just have to learn to deal with it, every class will have mechanics you won't like about it honestly I'm less of a fan of stance dancing than I am big pulls though.

[ChameleonMS]

Being a new player to this game I picked warrior as my first class. Now I'll admit I do not like big pulls, it is what it is, but that's life. You just have to learn to deal with it, every class will have mechanics you won't like about it honestly I'm less of a fan of stance dancing than I am big pulls though.

Just be ready for the SALT then. If you still have your Sprout icon, you will be given a large amount of slack.

If you were my tank, I would not care. The run will be a little slower but meh. I will likely never see you again. So, the effort it would take to "complain" about your tanking style would be longer than just enduring it until the run is over.
Other players though, ya, they will whine, complain, berate, kick you, leave, etc... for such an insignificant thing as a 7 minute longer run.

[Launched]

Then how do you explain the low pop of tanks ?

Because underperforming tanks stand out a lot more than the other roles even though tanking is incredibly easy to do decently. Average players can easily notice when a tank loses aggro, when they're slow to pull or when they don't pop cooldowns, but it's not as easy for them to notice a NIN that doesn't use Huton, a BLM that doesn't keep up AF3/Enochian, or a WHM that only spams Cure II. Especially when they don't have those other jobs leveled.

[Zojha]

Because underperforming tanks stand out a lot more than the other roles even though tanking is incredibly easy to do decently.

That doesn't seem to make much of a difference - Even in games where DPS are on perma-CC duty and failure is obvious by the fact the enemy is not stunned/electrified/a sheep or whatever, DPS dominate the population.

Even in single-player games where you are in full control of the entire party, people prefer to let disposable summoned creatures or the least liked character of the party be the group's tank. "He's useless, dump him full of Endurance and armor, we'll use him as cannon fodder.". It's a punching bag you throw at the enemy in the hopes that they will attack it instead of actually valuable targets and a sacrificial goat you throw at traps because it won't be missed if it dies.

It really isn't in any way surprising most people rather not fulfill that role themselves. It's most commonly a role you give to those characters you deem worthless and people typically don't identify with such. It takes a lot of glorification to make it sound remotely appealing. And because of that, tanks have always been a niché appeal, no matter how the playstyle, difficulty and responsibilities within the group turned out.