is it okay to not enjoy big pulls?

[Jollyy5]

Real talk, if you are a new player/tank and don't have the confidence to do big pulls because it's stressful, that's understandable.

When I first picked up tanking I wasn't a fan of pulling big either, but over time I got used to it and started enjoying it once I felt I had enough experience and knowledge to deal with them, especially after HW and SB expansions added more tools for dealing with AoE.

I think one part of them problem is that you are a Dark Knight, which out of the three tanking classes is the trickiest to play optimally due to having many buttons to press and having to manage mana, especially when doing big pulls. So just pull as many mobs as you feel comfortable with until you get used to your toolkit.

For example: Pull mobs > Unleash once or twice > Blood Price > Dark Arts + Abyssal Drain > Delirium > More Dark Arts + Abyssal Drain > Quietus, remember to use your defensive CDs as you need them, preferably BEFORE you fall to low health.

[347SPECTRE]

If it's your first few runs of a dungeon and if you're undergeared, take it slow. As you get more comfortable, try taking on one extra group here and there. If people don't like you doing small pulls, that's their problem, YOU are the tank, not them.

[Gravton]

Your personal feelings about it is irrelevant. Pulling at least two packs is pretty standard in every dungeon. Some tanks pull more. This standard was established by the community. Like wearing clothes outside, it doesn't really matter if you don't like to. Your options are: don't tank, only tank with friends, or catch flak for not following the standard. If you just do what you want, it's selfish. Eating up 3 other players time to satisfy your feels.

[aqskerorokero]

I don't enjoy it, but I do it anyway.....

[spagthetapdancer]

the risk vs reward for pulling really starts to wear off after a double-pull anyway. Personally, I find this to be plenty and it keeps the dungeon in the 15-25 minute range, which is a healthy place for a dungeon run.
if you don't enjoy that, though, I wouldn't really want to pressure you to do anymore than that. and even then I wouldn't push the issue enough to demand you at least double-pull. I don't care how long things take when I'm dpsing.

[Transient_Shadow]

So a little update. I've decided to give up tanking. And after coming back to this thread I have to say I'm glad I did. I took up tanking wanting to contribute to my FC so I could help runs when the new player was a healer. But honestly I just can't birng my self to enjoy it. And honestly I don't feel bad in the slightest. I thought healers had it bad as far as being shit on by the community but I see now why we have so few tanks. You guys are the problem (except those of you who were supportive).


I could go on a long tangent on how DPS' as some of you have so eloquently suggested towards me 'grow up'. Dungeon runs do not revolve around you and long ques do not entitle you to a speed run. If you want to speed things up then start tanking or healing. Stop demanding other roles cater towards your incessant desire for a 10 minute run.

[Moogly]

I've decided to give up tanking.

:'(

I hope time will help you reconsider that decision.

[spagthetapdancer]

So a little update. I've decided to give up tanking. And after coming back to this thread I have to say I'm glad I did. I took up tanking wanting to contribute to my FC so I could help runs when the new player was a healer. But honestly I just can't birng my self to enjoy it. And honestly I don't feel bad in the slightest. I thought healers had it bad as far as being shit on by the community but I see now why we have so few tanks. You guys are the problem (except those of you who were supportive).


I could go on a long tangent on how DPS' as some of you have so eloquently suggested towards me 'grow up'. Dungeon runs do not revolve around you and long ques do not entitle you to a speed run. If you want to speed things up then start tanking or healing. Stop demanding other roles cater towards your incessant desire for a 10 minute run.

I almost did that back in HW when the cancer that was HW Warrior+Vit Scaling drove the tanking meta to much more ridiculous heights. I don't blame you, but I'd say revisit it someday if patch notes pique your interests.

[whiskeybravo]

I almost did that back in HW when the cancer that was HW Warrior+Vit Scaling drove the tanking meta to much more ridiculous heights. I don't blame you, but I'd say revisit it someday if patch notes pique your interests.

I personally DID quit tanking in HW due to my opinion of the str meta. I quit the game altogether during 2nd alex for other reasons. I did have renewed interest once they had fixed damage scaling to vit, but by the time I came back my tank was so far behind, and had all str gear since I had switched to drg, I couldn't even queue for content on war because I didn't meet ilvls lol. SB at least allowed me to "reset" to a certain extent, and haven't looked back since.

I think the OP and others are simplifying the view of the community a bit, certainly there were some trollish "grow up" type statements, but even most of those people would make exceptions towards people learning new content or learning new jobs in general. Asshats will always be asshats, of course, but the vast majority of people simply play along because people are generally non-confrontational. Even if they have a problem they aren't likely to voice it. (although, people can certainly be more confrontational thanks to the anonymity of the internet)

That being said, if you find big pulls stressful it won't be any easier in raids when you're getting your face smashed in, out of CDs and sitting on 2k health hoping to the Twelve your healer saves you in time. So maybe tanking is simply not for you, at least not at a high level. You said you only tanked to help your FC anyways, so unless your FC is the one grieving you about big pulls I don't really see why you'd stop tanking for them?

At the end of the day, what's fair is fair. You don't like big pulls? I don't like small pulls. We are each entitled to our own opinion. I agree with others about the meta being pushed into DF content, and that was certainly one of my original complaints about the str tanking meta at the time. But at the same, I understand and accept it for what it is. If a healer doesn't want me to do big pulls I won't, or if we fail a big pull I always say it's "my bad" first (even if it's not). It's simply about trying to accommodate what the community expects. Nothing more, nothing less.

[spagthetapdancer]

I personally DID quit tanking in HW due to my opinion of the str meta. I quit the game altogether during 2nd alex for other reasons. I did have renewed interest once they had fixed damage scaling to vit, but by the time I came back my tank was so far behind, and had all str gear since I had switched to drg, I couldn't even queue for content on war because I didn't meet ilvls lol. SB at least allowed me to "reset" to a certain extent, and haven't looked back since.

I do like the middle point they've achieved currently. still plenty to hammer out but things are still largely stable atm.