Tanks, please use buffs

[Ametrine]

Why should I use CD's when healers say they can just get away with only casting a regen every trash pull? Or they say that healing is secondary in dungeons.

If it's that easy, then Def cds are only for savage content.

So your logic is, that if healers get by with little healing, and are able to and will focus on pushing high DPS to help the party, you should sabotage their effective play by forcing them to focus harder on the part of their toolkit that (in that situation) is less useful to your party?

The entire circular debate summed up in two posts.

It basically amounts to, "Why should I hold all the responsibility? I want to push DPS, too!"

The answer is you shouldn't! It's designed to be shared between both roles. Tanks weave CDs and emnity skills between their combos, so healers can get plenty of their DPS spells in between healing, in return letting the tank have the breathing room to do their stronger DPS combo, which in return kills mobs faster and giving the healer less mana strain, and time to save a DPS if need be.

It's not even hard to do, guys.

[Altena]

The entire circular debate summed up in two posts.

It basically amounts to, "Why should I hold all the responsibility? I want to push DPS, too!"

The answer is you shouldn't! It's designed to be shared between both roles. Tanks weave CDs and emnity skills between their combos, so healers can get plenty of their DPS spells in between healing, in return letting the tank have the breathing room to do their stronger DPS combo, which in return kills mobs faster and giving the healer less mana strain, and time to save a DPS if need be.

It's not even hard to do, guys.

This is exactly right.

There is a funny synergy that happens between tanks and healers.

The better a tank is at mitigating damage, means that less healing needs to be done.
The less healing the healer has to do, the more damage they can push out.
The more damage that can be pushed out, the faster mobs die, which means the less cooldowns a tank will need to use per pull, and further - the less healing that needs to be done.

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A comment regarding Holy Spirit usage...
If you guys are talking about using Holy Spirit on big pulls - you're wasting a GCD.
That 400 potency under shield oath is much weaker than an Eclipse on 4 or more targets.
You're better off using that GCD on an extra Eclipse than you are using Holy Spirit.
Sure, once you get down to 3 or less targets, Holy Spirit spam away.

Further on this, if you for some reason want to consume your mana in some way, then the blind from Flash acts as a form of mitigation.
Further on this again is that if you Clemency yourself, that's one heal a healer doesn't have to do on a big pull - meaning an extra GCD for Gravity/Holy - which is even more damage than an Eclipse or Holy Spirit.
I can't speak much from a WHM or SCH perspective (apparently they complain about tanks self-healing due to lillies and excogs), but when your healer is an AST, Clemency is a great tool to keep those Gravity spams going.

As for Sheltron - it only works on one hit, so on big pulls it is a pretty tiny mitigation tool. I am not saying it's not worth using, should be spamming it whenever you have the Oath however my point is that if you are using Holy Spirit for oath gauge build on a big pull - you're kind of wasting your time.

There is no denying that Holy Spirit is PLD's Fell Cleave in a boss fight - however against a big stack of mobs you should just be spamming Eclipse.

[Lilseph]

Yeah, I meant the Holy Spirit on boss fights. It's no use to spam it on big pulls. Potency wise, it's a waste. You wanna go FoF + Total Eclipse spam + CoS on cd. However, allow me to point out that Sheltron is not only about blocking 1 hit. It also restores your MP upon blocking, which allows you to have some extra MP for either the next pull or for more Clemencies. Since you're dealing with multiple targets, it's easier and faster to recover MP that way, instead of single targetting riot blades.

[Krimzon]

Look.. I am going to be brutally honest. If you don't use mitigation skills while running dungeons, you're bad.

Lol, you're a drg. Literally the last person to call anyone bad. Don't worry about the tank, just continue counting the pixels on the floor next to where your corpse is while the healer debates on wasting MP rezzing you just so you can die again.

[Xetagonist]

Lol, you're a drg. Literally the last person to call anyone bad. Don't worry about the tank, just continue counting the pixels on the floor next to where your corpse is while the healer debates on wasting MP rezzing you just so you can die again.

Someone doesn't want the DRG Damage buff.

Also, while we're on the topic of judging someone's profile:

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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Don't forget Direct Hit over Strength in the accessories.

[Xetagonist]

Don't forget Direct Hit over Strength in the accessories.

I find the Piety meld on a TANK gear the biggest offender tbh.

Hey, at least you still benefit from DH as a Tank.

[Ametrine]

I'm honestly cringing a bit at that piety 6 meld.

Considering you a quick to dismiss a Dragoon for calling BS, is all that piety so you can clemancy spam yourself from chasing off healers?

[Fredco191]

Doesn't piety only affect healers now? Why would they meld that?

[Kewitt]

I used to Main warrior. I just started playing SB about a week ago because well I was in the hospital with 2 broken legs. But I kind of like playing WHM and other healers when Tanks are lazy. It make the jobs more about healing.. and less about DPSing.
But I do get where your coming from and when I do play tank.. I play them correctly.