Tanks, please use buffs

[Altena]

Look.. I am going to be brutally honest. If you don't use mitigation skills while running dungeons, you're bad.

If you want to do single pulls, use buffs so the healer doesn't have to spot heal you and a regen will suffice..
If you want to do big pulls, then use buffs so the healer can still nuke.

Even if you're doing baby pulls - USE THEM.

It is so simple to press 1 button every 10-20 seconds to rotate your large list of mitigation skills, and takes the job of healing you from completely horrible and tiresome to easy.. It's frankly lazy and bad play if you don't.

Also, if you're unsure what I am talking about - spend the short 5 mins of your life it takes to watch the following video.

Relevant Video is Relevant
IDK how to post a direct video on the forum

That is all.

[Lilseph]

And then, you have the opposite situation like mine this morning: A tank using all their cds before pulling.

[Altena]

And then, you have the opposite situation like mine this morning: A tank using all their cds before pulling.

Hmm yes I suppose I didn't mention that one either..

Rotate your buffs- don't just blow them all at once!

[Nestama]

Hmm yes I suppose I didn't mention that one either..

Rotate your buffs- don't just blow them all at once!

Don't take away my Eos roleplay ideas!

[Altena]

Don't take away my Eos roleplay ideas!

This seriously made me LoL...

Oh man..

When doing big pulls, I use my buffs only when I see my HP drop too much fast. On old content, I almost forget I have buffs because everyone can dps and hp is not a problem.

On new content, healers must heal and tank must mitigate. That nonsense of dps healers must go to a stop and new content got to that direction. I'd expect newer content keep healer and tank much busier on their role than now.

If an healer loves so much doing dps, better s/he play directly a dps job, because IMHO s/he playing healer more for the short DF queue than the willing to heal.

Adding this response here as I am trying to save my post count..

Look I wanted to reply politely at first but your 2nd statement made me facepalm.

1. Cooldowns drastically lose their effectiveness if the damage is already done. They are MITIGATION tools, not solutions after the fact. Please understand that.
They aren't there for "oh sh1t" moments. They are there to PREVENT those moments.

2. This isn't a healer-DPS thread, as established previously. However if you're a tank, and you're not enabling the healer in your party to make the decision whether they wish to DPS or not, you're forcing a healer into fixing your own distaste for core functions of the game. (ie. Healers have DPS skills too. Most healers like to use them).

3. That argument is frankly stupid. That opinion is extremely short sighted, completely wrong on all levels and immensely overused - and is based around completely different topic that has been argued to kingdom come, so I won't go into this any further than this..

As a part-time DRK tank, I will never turn off Grit if I'm not in a pre-made party. I play it very safe and I usually gauge the healer's capability and the time it takes for dps to kill of the first pull of the dungeon.

I've met lazy dps who takes forever to kill the first group of mobs in Doma castle. It screws with the defensive cd timings.
Therefore, it really depends on the party as a whole as to which cd to use and whether the pull (if small) warrants the use of a precious cd. I'm quite liberal with Anticipation though.
For Rampart and Shadow Wall, I'll only pop them during large pulls/hard hitting mobs/tank busters.

If it's a level 70 dungeon, I'm very liberal with The Blackest Night.

That said, I love to run with WHM. Holy stun saves me a cd + increase in dps.

I am fine with tanks not turning off Grit for pulls. Should drop it for bosses in dungeons but I don't really care so much because if I am healing you, I will just be trying to push more DPS with that extra level of mitigation that you will have.

I can get on board with lazy dps issues. It's actually made a whole thread related to that (those that do very basic single target rotations in AoE pulls etc etc).
Should still be popping buffs (which I see you obviously do, going by your previous posts and this one). Sometimes you run out of buffs if DPS is super slow, but that's fine.. You tried. That's all anyone should ever ask for.

Look, I won't get on your case if you're popping Anticipation every pull and Rampart and Sentinel/Wall on bigger pulls.
I mean Anticipation is actually a decent buff for dungeons because of the cooldown and how long it lasts.
(Literally 1/3rd uptime through the entire dungeon).

Though from my experience, you have no need to hold on to these buffs. If they are up, why not use them?
The specific run I did yesterday (that I quoted on the first page of this thread), Anticipation was used 6 times. No other buffs were used for the entire dungeon. Not a single one.

If a dungeon is 20 mins long, the number should be much closer to 15 times.
This thread isn't reallllllly about the tanks who at least try to make their healer's life easier..
It's about the tanks that don't.

I am not saying you need to pop buffs as soon as they are off CD. Be fairly selective about it (like you were saying), but if you're holding on to Sentinel for 5 minutes because "you may want to use it soon", then you just haven't popped it soon enough..

[Alestorm]

I see this a lot, usually WAR for some reason. The best I can think is they are used to being unkillable monsters and still play like it for some reason. PLD tend to be better since they have damage reduction on their rotation and DRK are hit or miss.

[Fredco191]

I see this a lot, usually WAR for some reason. The best I can think is they are used to being unkillable monsters and still play like it for some reason.

I miss being a murder machine that just happened to be capable of protecting people. #NotMyWarrior

[SomeRandomHuman]

I see this a lot, usually WAR for some reason. The best I can think is they are used to being unkillable monsters and still play like it for some reason. PLD tend to be better since they have damage reduction on their rotation and DRK are hit or miss.

As of 4.0 Rage of Halone no longer decreases enemies' strength just like Warrior's Storm's Path weaponskill no longer decreases damage dealt. The only form of innate mitigation PLD has is the pacify from shield swipe, the stun from shield bash, and the blind from flash. These are all soft CC as they're unreliable outside of their niche situations.

[Gumbercules]

all the buffs! before you move! just make a macro with them all! :P

[Beckett]

all the buffs! before you move! just make a macro with them all! :P

For maximum effectiveness, pop all your buffs, then do a ready check.