Kick Abuse

[Elamys]

I think you're mistaking the fundamentals with "top tier playing."

I'm not. What I'm saying is that people who resort to kicking immediately people who don't play as well as they would like are often the people who kick those who are doing just fine and not holding the group back, but aren't playing at a high level. It's an absolutely cancerous way of behaving.

Does a person not AoEing on a trash pull make things take a bit longer? Sure. But HOW MUCH longer? How many mobs were there? Regardless of what people think, AoEing on a pack of 3 mobs does not make it take much less time than single targeting them down (and for some classes and comps, it's actually faster to single target at that point than to AoE).

You're playing with completely unknown strangers, surely you want them to remember you as a valuable and competent player. And not some mouth breather that made them roll their eyes.

If you spend that much time thinking about the opinions of people in DF, then chances are you need to step back a little bit. Trust me, other than a few exceptionally standout situations, people aren't going to remember every person that they played with that they didn't think played well. That's like 85% of the people that play this game anyways.

[Whiterock]

Bad play stands out, and bad players are experts at just turning a blind eye and keep the group going like the mindless automatons they are. It might be your sub, but you're dragging down 3 other people that pay just as much as you do. The slow car hogging the left lane on the highway is just as annoying as the person that plays badly in an already very easy and accessible mmo, that even went to great lengths to further lowering the skill floor in SB.

[Elamys]

Bad play stands out, and bad players are experts at just turning a blind eye and keep the group going like the mindless automatons they are. It might be your sub, but you're dragging down 3 other people that pay just as much as you do. The slow car hogging the left lane on the highway is just as annoying as the person that plays badly in an already very easy and accessible mmo, that even went to great lengths to further lowering the skill floor in SB.

You know this is a video game right?

[Whiterock]

You know this is a video game right?

I sure do. Did you know that this is a team oriented game? Those 3 or 7 other people's time are just as valuable as your own, and if your playstyle directly affects their enjoyment of said content then they are in every right to remove you.

[Elamys]

I sure do. Did you know that this is a team oriented game? Those 3 or 7 other people's time are just as valuable as your own, and if your playstyle directly affects their enjoyment of said content then they are in every right to remove you.

I just wanted to make sure, because droning on about how people are mindless automatons when they're completing content at a perfectly acceptable rate sure does make it seem like perhaps you need to consider running with a premade.

[Whiterock]

I just wanted to make sure, because droning on about how people are mindless automatons when they're completing content at a perfectly acceptable rate sure does make it seem like perhaps you need to consider running with a premade.

Yes, surely we can't expect people to play at even a half decent level. Oh no that'd be bad, we might appear as some sorta tryhards that not only use cooldowns, but know how to play their job at a level that's above average! Single targeting when a tank pulls a large amount of mobs is not a way you're gonna make the run go at a "perfectly acceptable rate" either.

[Mavrias]

I'm not. What I'm saying is that people who resort to kicking immediately people who don't play as well as they would like are often the people who kick those who are doing just fine and not holding the group back, but aren't playing at a high level. It's an absolutely cancerous way of behaving.

Does a person not AoEing on a trash pull make things take a bit longer? Sure. But HOW MUCH longer? How many mobs were there? Regardless of what people think, AoEing on a pack of 3 mobs does not make it take much less time than single targeting them down (and for some classes and comps, it's actually faster to single target at that point than to AoE).

OP themselves even stated that this was an expert dungeon and the tank had pulled "30 mobs." If you're not aoeing that pack regardless of what job you are, then you are holding the group back likely to the point of wiping the group. Tank and Healer cooldowns are not infinite, your "3 mob" analogy does not apply.

Kicking someone for not knowing their job at level cap is not cancerous. No one is asking for O4S dps in an expert roulette, we're asking for basic effort and fundamental knowledge.