Kick Abuse

[Kogekigami]

I know its beating a dead horse but I wish we could get a proper answer from the developers not a gm.

Should a party be allowed to kick you for play style.

To me if you kick a player for not conforming to your ideal play style be it healer dps tank pulls or dps single target or aoe, unless its making it impossible for you to clear the dungeon, its abuse of the system and the person kicking should be punished.

I know we have the gm response saying that you can kick a player for not meeting your play style but i think that is wrong.

I got kicked yesterday from expert for daring to single target on my red mage. (I find its faster and i can control my mana levels better) Even when i lb'ed the 30 mobs the tank pulled I got kicked. Stating after (somehow he didn't pick up the the other dps with the same surname and similar glams were together) how it was a shame I was afk. (if he was premade with the scholar it meant they got to gang up on what should of been an even split )

Both me and my friend have reported him for abusing the vote kick. But I get the feeling I'm going to get back. 'but its ok cause different play styles.' (i have yet to log in today)

How have we as a community allowed this to be a norm almost?

[Ageofwar]

stuff

sadly being kicked for "a differnce of playstyles" is not a punishable offence. I feel it should be but its not.

I have recently myself have been kick from a dungoen by a tank and healer exteme speedrunners who kicked me from a dungoen for dying 2 times (yes just 2 times) with in a 2 min time frame.

from what I have been reading here this is the norm and acceptable

[ManuelBravo]

I wish play style would be an option, there are some people that just troll. There is a learning curve however anything past lv 50 should be kicked if they don't know rotations...while I understand people pay fees and are free to play their way, if it's not the main priority ( example Healer number one priority is to heal not DPS ) and constantly makes the party fail. They should be kicked.

[Kogekigami]

trolling comes under harassment.

I judge it on the dungeon run. If its to the point where you can't get anywhere then yes there is a proplem be it connectiong troll or someone who needs help. but if the run is running smoothly then fine. the only hiccups we had last night was due to the tank pulling to much for the healer and then purposely killing me cause i dare respond with 'dude calm down its a game' cause he threw a strop at me single targetting mobs.

[TallonOverworld]

I think you just got kicked by trolls and nothing more.
Some time ago i was kicked by a random whm and his conjurer(!) friend in Weeping, where both of them used tank accessories and raged on our bard for not using Mage's Ballad since their mana was so easily drained. Well nvm...

On the other hand, in the case of rdm, you can both kill targets one by one and you can aoe them down quite easily and fast. Of course this is not a reason to be kicked but if you have the patience to explain to the tank or whoever that this is how you play, then do so. If you end up kicked, just re-queue and hope not to meet same people, simple as that

[Kogekigami]

I id explain that i felt it was faster as i crit much higher on single target. Also mana controls. Idk i find it do more dmg (to the point i was ripping it from him a few time or close to it) single target. I wonder if it was because of tht he demanding aoe. but if he was struggling he could of asked me to watch my aggro more carefully.

Though they screwed themselves in the end my friend who was party leader denied the replacement dps and spent the dungeon doing only aoe dmg ...on a samurai. then asked why it was so slow he be all 'gee i wonder.'

[Terkhev]

They could've kicked your friend too if they wanted. Strange story if you ask me.

On topic: being free to play how you want goes both ways. If 1 of 4 players slows the rest down then they shouldn't be forced to play with him. They pay their subs too.
Personally I don't kick people (not yet at least), but I kind of can understand it. I mean, if I saw RDM doing single target rotation instead of AoE, while all it takes to know what is more efficient is just one glance at tooltips (you know, multiply potency by number of targets), I also wouldn't be happy. DPS should always do their best damage, just like healer has to always keep others alive. If tank died every pull because healer only spammed Medica instead of single target heals, would that be ok?

[Ageofwar]

There does seem to be an increase in people being kick purely based on play style not agreeing with the rest of the group which if you ask me is rude and should be punishable by the GM's (i'm excluding actual trolling from this were people can't reasionable complete the dungoen) I believe one of the community reps has posted in the fourm that kicking based on play style is an acceptable reason to kick someone personally I think this reason is being abused

[HyoMinPark]

If you weren't AOEing a large trash pack, then you were being inefficient. RDM AOE is more potent than single target melee + Verholy/Verflare nuke when dealing with large packs. Enchanted Moulinet is a DPS gain at 3+ mobs, as is Scatter spam (however boring it may be). If you were failing to AOE to the other two's standards, then yes, they can kick you for that. GMs have stated multiple times that "differences of playstyle" is a valid reason for a vote dismiss. I personally think they should add that as a vote dismiss option, since it doesn't particularly fit under any of the four currently available (AFK, Offline, Harassment, Cheating), but it is a valid reason for a kick.

Unless there is a chat log history of a conspiracy between two or more party members to kick another member, the GMs have no way of determining if the kick was abusive, and you cannot make a solid case to prove vote kick abuse unless something is explicitly said in-game and there's a chat log record if it.

As for your friend's behavior, they could both very well report him for griefing since he denied to replace you by opening up the queue to another DPS that was waiting for a queue pop. And they would actually have a bit of a case in this instance as well.

[TaleraRistain]

I know I've seen that screenshot posted around for years now. SE should make an official statement somewhere since we have since seen GM screenshots that counteract the call from that GM.

Regardless, if you were active and they labeled the reason as "AFK" which is what it sounds like they did, then you were right to report them. I hope you included that statement. Sounds like they may have bitten themselves in the ass not realizing that the other person was with you and could provide that evidence.