Drop Rates of mounts from Extreme primals & Dungeons

[TaleraRistain]

It is perfectly possible to play this game in a manner that isn't 8+ hours a day in the basic content. Things like Omega, the EX trials, 24 man raids, minigames, minions, mounts, glamour, crafting, gathering, etc. This is all optional stuff that you can choose to do or not do. Some of them may have higher cover charges than others. I'm curious about Savage. But after being a hardcore in EverQuest, I'm allergic to schedules in MMOs. So in that case the cover charge is too high for me and I miss out. It doesn't mean the game isn't still accessible. Just that one part. And it's only in-accessible to me based on my preferences.

[Snow_Princess]

It takes time, but it is obtainable and the time it takes to obtain gets lower and lower as SE keeps nerfing it as content gets older.Everything in this game takes time, some more than others true, but they cannot have everything take no time at all otherwise people won't be playing past day one of a patch. They need some things that take a bit of time to obtain and work on. Mounts are one of the few things in this game that require that.

Mounts, minions, and glamours, are collectables and are optional vanity items that do not need to be obtained to play the game.

Like I said I still had time to obtain primal birds even while doing an extensive college program and still maintain A+ grades all at the same time. If you don't put the effort in to try you'll never get anything.

So you have two options, put the effort in to try to farm when you can when they release, or wait until they nerf it and farm it then. Most people do not end up needing 99 runs to get the mount after they nerf the drop rate since the mounts end up dropping like 20% of the time. That's average 1 in 5 runs.

As I already mentioned 99 runs seems like a lot, but if you wait until the content is older you can overgear it and get multiple clears at a very quick pace.

For example if a fight that you overgeared later in a patch cycle took average 5 mins to clear you could get 12 clears in one hour...you could get the mount with just an hour a day within less than two weeks.

It takes an INHUMAN amount of time. After doing weeklies and other things there is no time for anything else:
http://www.dualshockers.com/final-fa...ew-stormblood/

“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

So it is clear they are not worried about people that support the 99 thing, it is an oversight that should get adjustments, like the mount found in expert as well. "lower drop rate then intended"

[Arutan]

Oh it's that thread again where a casu ask for everything on a golden plate. You surely should never play WoW and its 0.01% mount drop rate.
People complained never getting the mount, so they added the 99 token exchange for very unlucky people. Can't deal with that? Then don't do it. At this rate if we listen we should as well create a char and get everything on it before the tutorial.

[Vidu]

It takes an INHUMAN amount of time. After doing weeklies and other things there is no time for anything else:
http://www.dualshockers.com/final-fa...ew-stormblood/

So it is clear they are not worried about people that support the 99 thing, it is an oversight that should get adjustments, like the mount found in expert as well. "lower drop rate then intended"

20 hours (thats assuming a realistic 15 minutes per run with 99 runs needed, so not taking into account that you could get lucky and just get the drop) are an INHUMAN amount of time? Oh boy must you have suffered during the mainquest... thats supposed to take 60-80 hours per expansion after all.

If you dont have the time after the stuff you choose over the mount... to bad? But dont start being this ridiculous in your complains.
20 hours max for a mount. Stretched over however long you want. 10 hours a month for 2 months. 15 minutes a day for three months to get some optional, cosmetic content that isnt required at all to play the game. I cant see anything "inhuman" about that...

And maybe they're not super worried about the people that want to be kept busy (even though I'm pretty sure they are aswell... but it doesnt make for a good statment to say something like "Yeah, we want to make this as grindey as possible, so people stay subbed even though there isnt enough new content to keep them entertained!) - but I'd like to point out again how those mounts with their low droprates and 99 tokens are keeping those primals alive as content for much longer than it would be without them. And thats a good thing because it allows people who are only reaching this content now to still find PF/DF-groups to run it.
If mounts would be as easy to get as you're proposing EX-primals would be a thing for one-two weeks after their release and everyone who didnt catch the train then will have a pretty hard time finding a group - we're already hearing complains like that and requests to make the old EX-primals more attraktive again, so people will re-run them.
Why do you think did they add songs to them after they were outdated? Why did they add new recipes for glamour-items using EX-primal-drops?
They did that so that even people who got the mount would have a reason to go in again.

...and you want to take a pretty good way of keeping that content alive for anyone who might be a bit late(r) to the party away because you feel 20 hours of farming is to much to ask...
Word of advice: Even if people tell you that relics are meant for casuals... never pick up a relic-quest. Its absolutly inhuman. Torture, almost...

[Wade]

I still don't understand how this is any different to Savage for the best gear - should that be dumbed down too for the people who can only play an hour a day?

[MagnificentErgo]

Do the work/grind, get the reward. Nothing needs to change.

If you think its too much effort/time, the rewards aren't for you.

Rng drops and timegates are an integral part of what keep mmos active, like it or not. Devs need to not cave into the instant gratification "Im too casual" crowd as its simply justifying player laziness. Ffxiv is way more casual friendly that ffxi. The no time excuse doesnt fly.

[Snow_Princess]

Oh it's that thread again where a casu ask for everything on a golden plate. You surely should never play WoW and its 0.01% mount drop rate.People complained never getting the mount, so they added the 99 token exchange for very unlucky people. Can't deal with that? Then don't do it. At this rate if we listen we should as well create a char and get everything on it before the tutorial.

Having a game worse in rng is not a defense for a game where the devs flat out say:

“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

Maybe wow is built with people with such personalities?

20 hours (thats assuming a realistic 15 minutes per run with 99 runs needed, so not taking into account that you could get lucky and just get the drop) are an INHUMAN amount of time? Oh boy must you have suffered during the mainquest... thats supposed to take 60-80 hours per expansion after all.

Yes it is, this game is not named grinding mounts FFXIV, there is other stuff to do , like the dailies and weeklies, you know stuff YOU HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON! leaves no time to farm stuff like mounts for that long.

Do the work/grind, get the reward. Nothing needs to change.

If you think its too much effort/time, the rewards aren't for you.

Rng drops and timegates are an integral part of what keep mmos active, like it or not. Devs need to not cave into the instant gratification "Im too casual" crowd as its simply justifying player laziness. Ffxiv is way more casual friendly that ffxi. The no time excuse doesnt fly.

It is NOT WORK! it is just pointless waste of time for no reason, and too much to even do it for many. Maybe for the 1980s - 2000, but this is almost 2018!!! why keep doing the game thing? no reason to depend on luck for content anymore. If you want to call it player laziness, then I can call it dev laziness for not coming up with something better.

[Wade]

Why is 2018 any different to 2000? Why should games cater to laziness now more than 18 years ago? Why do you deserve more for less now?

[Ilan]

But this game is very casual friendly in most regards. While it also tries to appeal to people who'd like to play a bit more than just casually - for example with those mounts.
There is lots of casual content - not all content has to be casual though. Infact those mounts are supposed to be special - which makes them pretty much not-casual. And thats fine. You dont need them to play or enjoy the game - if you're only playing casual you're getting mounts from the mainquest, so you can easly travel everywhere. Thats all you actually need - the rest is a bonus.
Not everything has to be instantly available for everyone. You want something special? Put some effort into it.

You can even farm those mounts in your own time, this game is by no means a time sink in that regard.
Let me also do a little math for you:
The average EX-primal takes 10 minutes to clear (that doesnt account for wipes ofc, but at least our two current EX-primals are pretty easy fights that should be wipe-free... or you should be looking for a new group). That means: 6 kills an hour. So 16,5 hours for 99 kills - we can round that up to 20, if you like to account for wipes and the odd slower run. Still would only require 2.5 days of that 8-hour-play-schedulde of yours. And thats without taking into account that you could get the mount by rolling high enough on it. Seems still pretty casual friendly to me...

Those are more mid to long-term goals. Something you can work towards, thanks to the tokens now.
We really, really dont need everything in this game to be just handed out. You can be casual and enjoy this game, thats fine - but you need to be okay with not having everything instantly then.
(Seriously, you could just do like 3 runs a day - in a month you'll have your mount. Playing the game casually. All good.)

Give it up already. People will keep saying that it is not casual friendly if they don't get everything as soon as they log in for the first time. Its to much effort to farm 99 tokens (the birds would drop more than once during that time anyway) hell its even to much effort to kill the ex primal because they have to learn the fight.

Seriously people why are you not willing to farm for something that you want so badly?

[Vidu]

Yes it is, this game is not named grinding mounts FFXIV, there is other stuff to do , like the dailies and weeklies, you know stuff YOU HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON! leaves no time to farm stuff like mounts for that long.

It is NOT WORK! it is just pointless waste of time for no reason, and too much to even do it for many. Maybe for the 1980s - 2000, but this is almost 2018!!! why keep doing the game thing? no reason to depend on luck for content anymore. If you want to call it player laziness, then I can call it dev laziness for not coming up with something better.

...and if you choose to do other stuff about getting those mounts thats your choice... if you enjoy leveling other classes, capping tomes, doing beasttribe-dailies or whatever other content you want to do more - cool, pick that over the mount grind.
You have to realise though that you dont have to do any of that content. Not even the stuff that has a time limit. If you're only playing so, so casual what does it matter wether or not you reach the tome-cap every week? Why does it matter if you skip beasttribe-dailies for a few days? You'll finish a week later, but who cares? At this point I'm wondering if you'd be more willing to do this if you could get a max-amount of three tokens every day...
I dont know how much time you've got on your hands to play every day/week but its up to you to choose how to spend that time - and if your choice isnt mount-farming, then you dont get the mount. Simple as that. If its "pointless waste of time for no reason" for you then the mount clearly isnt worth that effort for you and thats okay. Enough people seem to think otherwise.
(And I'd hate to repeat myself but its not "pointless": Keeping old players busy while keeping groups full for fresh ones - there, two good reasons)

You might also have noticed that we dont depend on luck for those primal-mounst anymore. Remember your whol argument about 99 tokens being to much? Yeah, thats where we dont depend on luck anymore.

Your only argument is some weird interpretaion of the devs intentions - I for one understand those statments in the following way: You dont need to play 8 hours a day, each day every day but you can take breaks or play less and still be able to catch up, thanks to tome-gear and such. You can play less and effectivly play the game - I really dont understand why you believe that that statment means "You can play as little as you want and still get every special item you desire instantly"

Not the whole game is or has to be casual friendly.