Drop Rates of mounts from Extreme primals & Dungeons

[Snow_Princess]

Doing those fights through PF has always been preferable over randoming 7 strangers together. Always. You're so far out in left field with this topic. Clearly you're being disagreed with, and I'd imagine the devs also disagree considering how they implement content. That isn't them slighting you, or people with your point of view...this is them catering to what the majority wants. And the majorityseem to be doing just fine. What's stopping you? Gonna have to come up with something beyond "it's not fair because reasons".

Lol, its not my topic, it is just the type of the spoken minority that is on currently are all on, all it is. The Devs stated:

“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

So it is clearly an oversight, the drop rate being too low, bugs happen, that is what the forums are for, pointing out stuff like this.

Also no, when WT was new it would not pop, it took 2 hrs to get a WT trial to appear, only for it to wipe because people did not know how to listen to me how to do the fight. Plus PF would be done to do these or some kind of premade because of the low drop rates, so this has nothing to do with helping queue times, it does not. I farmed in the range of 2-4 hours ( do not remember really) with a pt of 5 to try get nightmare and not one drop. Sorry these drop rates are too low, thinking otherwise are the ones "so far out in left field with this topic." such as your self. This is part of the reason a minority of the playerbase are on the forums, because people like your self feel the need to drown out opinions that differ from your own.

I do not need your approval to voice an opinion.

People make PFs as you can pick and chose party setup, classes, ilv, and loot rules while also being able to requeue instantly with a full group. It makes for faster runs. Faster runs = more runs, more runs = more chances to see dogs, birds, ponies drop.


And yes, it is a time sink. Annoying as they are the game kinda needs them to keep people running things. If I was guaranteed drops on my first clear I wouldn't step foot in the EXs after getting my loot lol

And for those that do not do them at all like myself because it takes too long, then what? It defeats your stance of "keep people doing things" Why are you trying to debate one extreme with another? I never said get it in 1 run, I said 99 is too many.

Thanks but no, actually it wouldn't. I genuinely don't care enough about the carrots at the end of the weekly sticks to do the weekly thing. Thus the primal mount grind feels like a rewarding use of my sub. You can disagree, I don't mind we are all different, but don't assume that given more time I would do more things.

But you realize what you are doing is " carrots at the end of stick"?

[Keridwyn]

And for those that do not do them at all like myself because it takes too long, then what? It defeats your stance of "keep people doing things" Why are you trying to debate one extreme with another?

But you realize what you are doing is " carrots at the end of stick"?

Actually it perfectly justifies it, you're on and doing things, just not mount farming. Meanwhile some of us are on mount farming instead of doing other things. Look, the only mount in this game I will agree takes too long is the hunt tiger because under perfect conditions it will take years to get it. The primal birds can all be bought with an investment of ten hours or less under perfect conditions.

And yes, I am perfectly aware that the mount grinds are carrots on the end of the sticks. They're just carrots I actually want.

[Rokke]

And for those that do not do them at all like myself because it takes too long, then what? It defeats your stance of "keep people doing things" Why are you trying to debate one extreme with another? I never said get it in 1 run, I said 99 is too many.

if you run 5 EXs a day you will get enough tokens for a mount in less than a month. You don't even need to really set a hard daily requirement, somedays you can run less, somedays you can run more- assuming you clear the duty a couple times a week you will be sitting on your bird/dog in a reasonable time.

[Vahlnir]

what?

I know it's not your topic, never said it was. You are also welcome to your opinion, and requires no one's approval. It's also my right to disagree, which I do wholeheartedly. No required approval for me either. You're making a lot of assumptions out of nowhere and it's confusing me greatly. I'm not drowning anyone's opinions out, people may feel as they wish. That doesn't make me agree with you, or others (who I'm not seeing many of) in this thread. Your argument about WT makes 0 sense. PF is there to make things go faster, which you seem to be a fan of. Everyone generally is, and PF also allows people to do things as they see fit. Wanna run things synced? Go nuts. Wanna run it unsynced? Enjoy. The tools are there to do as you wish. You just need to actually put in the effort. In an MMO, effort = reward, but I'm beginning to think this is your first rodeo. If I'm wrong, then that's fine. You just lack the patience for one.

[Snow_Princess]

Wait...so when I was doing a full time extensive college program and maintaining high, if not perfect, grades....and still finding time to farm the primal birds and do my weekly stuff including tomes AND a raid static....that's inhuman? How did I manage that then?
I mean throwing in raiding 2-3 nights a week as well I must be a gaming goddess at this point to get all that done...?

Like I said you could do an hour a day later when they nerf the drop rates and you'll probably win a bird after a couple weeks of just joining farms once in awhile.

You could even just do an hour every few days and you'd still get the bird within a month probably.

I mean you ignore the fact that you can slowly work towards it at any pace. So this seems to be a "I want it NOW" problem, not actually a "it takes an inhuman amount of time" problem. I mean I am living proof right here that it isn't an inhuman amount of time needed.

Maybe you have inhuman luck on other things, no idea, out it takes too much time as is to get weekly drops and weekly tome caps to put in other large time investments. It is TOO MUCH TIMER!!! to require doing 99 times of 1 thing, and that is assuming no one wipes, and ofc you are going to run into wipes, People managed to wipe on A1S and a few groups fail to DPS check meet it even though i260+

Why are you posting this? telling me what I have time for? I mean... it sounds like you are better then me so therefor it is not an issue because you manage to fit x , y ,z + weeklies. I do not have the time resource to be spending 10 hours running the same DF 99 times for a mount, that is ridiculous, that is the same as "no content" for me since people want to pull "rare rng = content (I disagree with that.

It is not "I want it now" it is " I want access to it". Running the same thing 99 times is no access, my mind is blown people are defending this system!!!!! I thought the 99 token thing was a joke, like something that isn't supposed to be there.

I know it's not your topic, never said it was. You are also welcome to your opinion, and requires no one's approval. It's also my right to disagree, which I do wholeheartedly. No required approval for me either. You're making a lot of assumptions out of nowhere and it's confusing me greatly. I'm not drowning anyone's opinions out, people may feel as they wish. That doesn't make me agree with you, or others (who I'm not seeing many of) in this thread. Your argument about WT makes 0 sense. PF is there to make things go faster, which you seem to be a fan of. Everyone generally is, and PF also allows people to do things as they see fit. Wanna run things synced? Go nuts. Wanna run it unsynced? Enjoy. The tools are there to do as you wish. You just need to actually put in the effort. In an MMO, effort = reward, but I'm beginning to think this is your first rodeo. If I'm wrong, then that's fine. You just lack the patience for one.

Someone said "adding mounts reduce queue times" so my reply to that is queue times are still hugely long for them, people only PF, so it isn't an argument to support this token system.

The other thing is the mount that drops Ala mhigan mount. You can't reasonably get that EVER! (because how the DF works) because you already at the max sync, till they lift the undersized requirement for 5.0. The drop rate on that HAS to be an oversight, the drop rate or access to it with other means should be done, surely you can at least agree to that?

That's your problem not the game's problem. There are many things to do in the game and they are not expected to be completed in full each week. You are expected to decide what is important to you and allocate your time accordingly. To say everything is important and you should be able to complete everything before each reset is unreasonable (and IMO indicates other issues). Many people here have given you great suggestions on how you could manage working on the mounts without spending all of your time running EX primals but you continue down the path of everything having to be your way. Reminds me a bit of Veruca Salt now that I think of it. So I propose that you go out and create your own MMO that you can design any way you desire as obviously FFXIV isn't meeting nor will it meet your expectations.

You cave to cap each week or fall behind because how the game is designed, there is no roll overs??? >.> =/ your post makes no sense

What do you mean by the last part?:
“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

That is what the dev said, maybe you need to "go out and create your own MMO that you can design any way you desire as obviously FFXIV isn't meeting nor will it meet your expectations."? Make one with huge hours of grindy since that is what you like?since the dev team of FFXIV does not share your vision???

[Vahlnir]

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When you form your own group, there IS no queue times, just a wait for the group to fill. You can reasonably get everything, including that dungeon mount, if you put in the time. If you don't want to, wait till it's easier to farm. Has been done for primal mounts, and in time the only dungeon mount in the game will be much easier. Access to it is not hindered in any way, shape or form. You can either queue for it, or make your own group to farm. The drop rate COULD stand to have a small increase imo, yes. But even if they did...you still have to farm it. And you seem opposed to that idea. In an MMO. So it wouldn't be good enough no matter what they did. All of this could be solved if you would stop lashing out at reasonable suggestions and take matters into your own hands.

[Claviusnex]

You cave to cap each week or fall behind because how the game is designed, there is no roll overs??? >.> =/ your post makes no sense

What do you mean by the last part?:
“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

That is what the dev said, maybe you need to "go out and create your own MMO that you can design any way you desire as obviously FFXIV isn't meeting nor will it meet your expectations."? Make one with huge hours of grindy since that is what you like?since the dev team of FFXIV does not share your vision???

Talking about not making sense. Please reread your post. Anyway in response:

There is no falling behind. It is strictly up to you if you want to reach the cap each week or spend your time doing other things. You seem to think the game should let you do anything anyway you wish. I and others are saying that is an unreasonable expectation. You have also been given some great advice on how you should be able to accommodate working on mounts. You refuse to take this advice and to try it, instead you continue to argue that it can only work your way. The fact is this is the way SE wants the game to be and you are expected to decide what is important for you to do.

For the last part I am saying it is obvious FFXIV is not the game for you based on all of your negative posts and always claiming the way it works is unfair to you. Since you have so many problems with FFXIV I am suggesting you go out and design your own MMO to compete with all of the other MMO's in the market. You could maybe name it "Entitled Princess". By doing this way you can make your game work the way you want instead of having to conform to the rules of FFXIV.

[Miste]

Why are you posting this? telling me what I have time for? I mean... it sounds like you are better then me so therefor it is not an issue because you manage to fit x , y ,z + weeklies. I do not have the time resource to be spending 10 hours running the same DF 99 times for a mount, that is ridiculous, that is the same as "no content" for me since people want to pull "rare rng = content (I disagree with that.

It is not "I want it now" it is " I want access to it". Running the same thing 99 times is no access, my mind is blown people are defending this system!!!!! I thought the 99 token thing was a joke, like something that isn't supposed to be there.

Why are you posting claims something takes an inhuman amount of time? I am not "telling you what you have time for" I am saying your claim is obviously false that you replied to me with. You didn't say "I do not have time for it" you said "It takes an INHUMAN amount of time."

I never said I was "better than you" I was simply contesting your claim with facts that I still managed with a busy schedule to farm. If you make wild claims that something takes an inhuman amount of time when it definitely doesn't (since that means no one would have the mounts at all) then someone might tell you there is a problem with what you are saying. It is not an inhuman amount of time since a lot of people have these mounts...last I checked we are all humans.

It is "you want it now" because you actually DO have access to it. It just might take you a bit longer than people who may have more time to play if you try at release before they nerf or overgearing happens. If you wait until they nerf it you highly likely will not have to run 99 times to get a mount especially if you wait to overgear and unsync fights. Waiting for it to be easier is just waiting, you still have access to it. So if you don't want to "wait" for it to be easier then that is a "I want it now" problem.

The drop rate eventually increases by so much that they drop really often and highly likely you will win one way before 99 runs (99 tokens is just an RNG protection and yes it can happen, but it is rare that you end up not winning a roll when the drop rate is nerfed that the mounts drop a lot).

Have you even tried to go get one of the old primal ponies? They drop like candy and the fights are so easy to beat unsync they don't even have the token system but you really won't need it if you just run an unsync group. Have you tried running unsync Ravana EX? He falls over and you skip all his mechanics and faceroll him in 2 minutes.

*Just some extra info for you: During HW my boyfriend didn't have any of the primal ponies except for Leviathan and you know what we did? This was even before SB and before level 70.....me and him DUO'd all the 2.0 primals and got him all his missing ponies to get Kirin. DUO. Just two people. Eventually even the HW primals we'll be so overgeared that you can low man them to get the mounts.

If you don't even have 30 mins to get a group and run an unsync primal a couple of times a few days a week or even once a week then I really don't know what to tell you. At that point it is simply a personal problem where you do not have enough time to do everything you want to in this game and even I have that problem, but I pick and choose what I want to do with the time I do have and for me the mounts are high priority along with gearing my main job for raiding.

[Paladinleeds]

“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

You're active daily/monthly are you not? Here's the thing though, it is an MMO. Even current MMOs have timesinks. In a subscription based MMO, you need to keep players subbed. How do you do that? Artificial time gates, and big time sinks for things that aren't capped. You know, I have to allocate my time as well (I don't have infinite time either). Right now my time is divided between levelling, and Creation tomestone farming. I will do 1 O4 a week, for the crystalloid, but I won't touch O1-O3. Because of the pure RNG gating. Creation tomestones are capped at 450 per week. That's why the amount is so reasonable. It keeps you coming back week after week. Daily roulette bonuses, same deal. If they were to reduce the amount of tokens needed, they would have to cap it to 1 token a week. Else players with more time (or more efficient) than you and I would blitz through the content in about an hour.

[Snow_Princess]

You're active daily/monthly are you not? Here's the thing though, it is an MMO. Even current MMOs have timesinks. In a subscription based MMO, you need to keep players subbed. How do you do that? Artificial time gates, and big time sinks for things that aren't capped. You know, I have to allocate my time as well (I don't have infinite time either). Right now my time is divided between levelling, and Creation tomestone farming. I will do 1 O4a week, for the crystalloid, but I won't touch O1-O3. Because of the pure RNG gating. Creation tomestones are capped at 450 per week. That's why the amount is so reasonable. It keeps you coming back week after week. Daily roulette bonuses, same deal. If they were to reduce the amount of tokens needed, they would have to cap it to 1 token a week. Else players with more time (or more efficient) than you and I would blitz through the content in about an hour.

This is what I do and may help.
To cap creation you need 3 x expert and 3 x frontline. so 3 rl days you are almost capped. Then you can do all 4 deltascape and you will get hands/ belt/ head at least since people let that drop to the floor, even if you do not get anything, 2 more runs after doing each once, you cap creation.

The thing with time sinks though, they can make them without being inhuman demanding? even you said you will not do 1-3 os because of the rng gating, you need people to do content.

As far as me being on the forums, it called mutitasking.