Drop Rates of mounts from Extreme primals & Dungeons

[Claviusnex]

You cave to cap each week or fall behind because how the game is designed, there is no roll overs??? >.> =/ your post makes no sense

What do you mean by the last part?:
“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

That is what the dev said, maybe you need to "go out and create your own MMO that you can design any way you desire as obviously FFXIV isn't meeting nor will it meet your expectations."? Make one with huge hours of grindy since that is what you like?since the dev team of FFXIV does not share your vision???

Talking about not making sense. Please reread your post. Anyway in response:

There is no falling behind. It is strictly up to you if you want to reach the cap each week or spend your time doing other things. You seem to think the game should let you do anything anyway you wish. I and others are saying that is an unreasonable expectation. You have also been given some great advice on how you should be able to accommodate working on mounts. You refuse to take this advice and to try it, instead you continue to argue that it can only work your way. The fact is this is the way SE wants the game to be and you are expected to decide what is important for you to do.

For the last part I am saying it is obvious FFXIV is not the game for you based on all of your negative posts and always claiming the way it works is unfair to you. Since you have so many problems with FFXIV I am suggesting you go out and design your own MMO to compete with all of the other MMO's in the market. You could maybe name it "Entitled Princess". By doing this way you can make your game work the way you want instead of having to conform to the rules of FFXIV.

[SokiYagami]

For the love of Hydaelyn, 99 times is the freaking maximum number of runs (well I suppose this only hold true if the token exchange is already out or one don't mind waiting), stop making it sound like it's the minimum number of runs required. I've a FC mate who got lucky and got the mount on his first clear. I was there to help out on that run and I got to admit I was salty for rolling a single digit on that run, whatever happened to good karma? T-T

Personally I got a mixed bag of results, I have to turn in 99 tokens thrice but I've also got lucky and got a few mount under 20 clears with the rest in between the two. I can't speak for others, but I'm proud to have my shiny ride after I invested the time and effort into grinding for them, and I wouldn't feel any devaluation in it even if every other players and their parents and grandparents got the same mount too. Does that make me inhuman? Perhaps? I do suppose my character was created with succubus in mind so...

It's interesting to note that even though Remedi and Snow_Princess are on the two different camp with regards to this issue, they've never debate direct with each other. I do suppose both of them will agree to the same thing though:

"Is ninety-nine tokens a good thing?"

"NEIN!!!"

...I'll show myself to the door now. (14 hours broadcast is up now by the way)

[Miste]

Why are you posting this? telling me what I have time for? I mean... it sounds like you are better then me so therefor it is not an issue because you manage to fit x , y ,z + weeklies. I do not have the time resource to be spending 10 hours running the same DF 99 times for a mount, that is ridiculous, that is the same as "no content" for me since people want to pull "rare rng = content (I disagree with that.

It is not "I want it now" it is " I want access to it". Running the same thing 99 times is no access, my mind is blown people are defending this system!!!!! I thought the 99 token thing was a joke, like something that isn't supposed to be there.

Why are you posting claims something takes an inhuman amount of time? I am not "telling you what you have time for" I am saying your claim is obviously false that you replied to me with. You didn't say "I do not have time for it" you said "It takes an INHUMAN amount of time."

I never said I was "better than you" I was simply contesting your claim with facts that I still managed with a busy schedule to farm. If you make wild claims that something takes an inhuman amount of time when it definitely doesn't (since that means no one would have the mounts at all) then someone might tell you there is a problem with what you are saying. It is not an inhuman amount of time since a lot of people have these mounts...last I checked we are all humans.

It is "you want it now" because you actually DO have access to it. It just might take you a bit longer than people who may have more time to play if you try at release before they nerf or overgearing happens. If you wait until they nerf it you highly likely will not have to run 99 times to get a mount especially if you wait to overgear and unsync fights. Waiting for it to be easier is just waiting, you still have access to it. So if you don't want to "wait" for it to be easier then that is a "I want it now" problem.

The drop rate eventually increases by so much that they drop really often and highly likely you will win one way before 99 runs (99 tokens is just an RNG protection and yes it can happen, but it is rare that you end up not winning a roll when the drop rate is nerfed that the mounts drop a lot).

Have you even tried to go get one of the old primal ponies? They drop like candy and the fights are so easy to beat unsync they don't even have the token system but you really won't need it if you just run an unsync group. Have you tried running unsync Ravana EX? He falls over and you skip all his mechanics and faceroll him in 2 minutes.

*Just some extra info for you: During HW my boyfriend didn't have any of the primal ponies except for Leviathan and you know what we did? This was even before SB and before level 70.....me and him DUO'd all the 2.0 primals and got him all his missing ponies to get Kirin. DUO. Just two people. Eventually even the HW primals we'll be so overgeared that you can low man them to get the mounts.

If you don't even have 30 mins to get a group and run an unsync primal a couple of times a few days a week or even once a week then I really don't know what to tell you. At that point it is simply a personal problem where you do not have enough time to do everything you want to in this game and even I have that problem, but I pick and choose what I want to do with the time I do have and for me the mounts are high priority along with gearing my main job for raiding.

[Snow_Princess]

I do not know why you are saying all that without reading my posts/understanding my point. I said, numerous times I took 2-4 hours (I don't remember the exact time but was longer then 2 hours) trying to get nightmare, a 2.0 mount in SB, killing it fist with parties of 5. It never dropped. Not "see it and lost on lot", but never appeared. So how can you say "when this or that will get nerfed you will be able do it"? That is what this thread is for, so they take a look at these drop rate issues and examine them since it does not fit what the development team said to begin with.

Nightmare mount/ HW mounts (i know someone that had to 99 niddy, I went to help a few runs, that person i inhuman to do that, dealing with all the bads and wipes to get 99 clears) and the ala mehigan mount needs adjustments. I have no idea why people think otherwise. With the situation right now, you can't even reasonably farm the ala mehigan mount till 5.0! that is ridiculous. It does take an inhuman amount of time, I did obverse someone doing niddy 99, how you suggest otherwise is beyond me. There is no defense to defend this kind of time sink other then a blind following.

I love to see you duo niddy right now, that story really has no point with what is being talked about.

When you form your own group, there IS no queue times, just a wait for the group to fill. You can reasonably get everything, including that dungeon mount, if you put in the time. If you don't want to, wait till it's easier to farm. Has been done for primal mounts, and in time the only dungeon mount in the game will be much easier. Access to it is not hindered in any way, shape or form. You can either queue for it, or make your own group to farm. The drop rate COULD stand to have a small increase imo, yes. But even if they did...you still have to farm it. And you seem opposed to that idea. In an MMO. So it wouldn't be good enough no matter what they did. All of this could be solved if you would stop lashing out at reasonable suggestions and take matters into your own hands.

Has nothing to do what was said, the argument was the mounts reduce queue time but that is false when no one queues for it!!!

For the love of Hydaelyn, 99 times is the freaking maximum )

and that number is too much, and it is common to see, even yourself said 3 times + some others with 20 runs each, that is too much for a reasonable person.

[Vahlnir]

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What I said has EVERYTHING to do with what's being discussed. You just don't get it. Nightmare is a mount they never upped the drop rate for. So, keep trying. Or don't, it's your call. It's easy to farm, you just need to get lucky. This is a dang MMO, like I've said a few times already. There will always be RNG. HW birds are fine as is, and they will only get easier to farm as time goes on. They already are now. I will just let the Ala Mhigo mount thing go, you refuse to listen. I'd rather not repeat myself. None of this, and I mean NONE, takes an inhuman amount of time. You just need to actually you know, do it, and you will get what you're after. MMOs are nothing but a time sink. And time = reward. It is an MMO staple.

[Snow_Princess]

What I said has EVERYTHING to do with what's being discussed. You just don't get it. Nightmare is a mount they never upped the drop rate for. So, keep trying. Or don't, it's your call. It's easy to farm, you just need to get lucky. This is a dang MMO, like I'vesaid a few times already. There will always be RNG. HW birds are fine as is, and they will only get easier to farm as time goes on. They already are now. I will just let the Ala Mhigo mount thing go, you refuse to listen. I'd rather not repeat myself. None of this, and I mean NONE, takes an inhuman amount of time. You just need to actually, you know, do it, and you will get what you're after. MMOs are nothing but a time sink. And time = reward. It is an MMO staple.

Then how come that does not exist in this game? Where is the need to exp for 6 months to get to max level and other things? where is the 2-5 years for getting a weapon? I am sorry but the development team outright disagreed with your post.

"I will just let the Ala Mhigo mount thing go, you refuse to listen. I'd rather not repeat myself" is that all you have to say with being unreasonable and defending something unreasonable? HW mounts are inhuman unreasonable right now as well.

Also I missed the warning label when buying an MNO "warning if you are unlucky things may take an ungodly amount of time, more time then you may have"

[SokiYagami]

And without the 99 tokens god knows how many run I might need? So by your words if I find the numbers fine that would make me a unreasonable person? So be it then. Also, I'd like to heard your stance on the tiger mount in the other thread if 99 tokens already cost you inhuman amount of time. I don't know, just curious what you will come up with.

[Miste]

I do not know why you are saying all that without reading my posts/understanding my point. I said, numerous times I took 2-4 hours (I don't remember the exact time but was longer then 2 hours) trying to get nightmare, a 2.0 mount in SB, killing it fist with parties of 5. It never dropped. Not "see it and lost on lot", but never appeared.

Nightmare is the one single mount that didn't get its drop rate increased. It's the only one that doesn't drop like candy unfortunately. I don't know why they don't make it drop same % as the other primal ponies, maybe they just want one of them to be a bit rarer so that people keep going. Nightmare is a special case since it doesn't follow the typical primal mount rules so it doesn't really fit the norm drop rate %. The kirin ponies and the birds do though so it won't be the same as trying to get Nightmare.

I love to see you duo niddy right now, that story really has no point with what is being talked about.

The topic is about "mounts from EXTREME Primals" and dungeons. the 2.0 EX primals are EXTREME primals and they drop mounts. So, yes It is what is being talked about.

Can't duo Nidhogg yet, but you probably will be able to do it eventually. You entirely missed my point or didn't read it? Because I actually said this in my post...

Eventually even the HW primals we'll be so overgeared that you can low man them to get the mounts.

...you can "wait" until it is possible and get them all with very little time investment and since time is what you claim is the real issue then this solution should work for you. If you simply do not want to wait until the time needed is really nerfed then it is a "I want it now" problem.

[Vahlnir]

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I'm out...lol

[Paladinleeds]

“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

You're active daily/monthly are you not? Here's the thing though, it is an MMO. Even current MMOs have timesinks. In a subscription based MMO, you need to keep players subbed. How do you do that? Artificial time gates, and big time sinks for things that aren't capped. You know, I have to allocate my time as well (I don't have infinite time either). Right now my time is divided between levelling, and Creation tomestone farming. I will do 1 O4 a week, for the crystalloid, but I won't touch O1-O3. Because of the pure RNG gating. Creation tomestones are capped at 450 per week. That's why the amount is so reasonable. It keeps you coming back week after week. Daily roulette bonuses, same deal. If they were to reduce the amount of tokens needed, they would have to cap it to 1 token a week. Else players with more time (or more efficient) than you and I would blitz through the content in about an hour.