Drop Rates of mounts from Extreme primals & Dungeons

[Snow_Princess]

Why is 2018 any different to 2000? Why should games cater to laziness now more than 18 years ago? Why do you deserve more for less now?

That is not the issue, has nothing to do with laziness. For older games, they did not have much tech to work with, so they needed to find creative ways to prolong the life and create a difficulty level, like what Sequelitis - Castlevania 1 vs. Castlevania 2, what he spoke on 1. (I am not linking it because of all the cursing)They had to use the game itself to set the tone of things where now you have more options though art and music (like hor mor dhona was in 1.0, the music, the look of the place, really made you feel on edge with the strong monsters (I was never lv 50 in 1.0)

Now that you have better tech for developing games, you think development of them would find more creative ways to extend the life of a game. Simply beating RNG is not an achievement, nor is it an investment of work. I just want to be able do something but I can't because it takes too long. For example I have tried to get the nightmare mount but it is too rare of a drop to make a static for it to kill in a reasonable time, even doing gargua as a 5 man, around 1 min 30 sec kills , 3 mins max/ total for queuing, exiting and such.. I think it was, for 3 hours and not seeing one? Sorry that is a flaw, an oversight, too low drop rate then intended when development team makes statements like this:

“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

on top of things.

It is not about being handed anything, it is about needing to invest more time then what people are able to, and it needs to be considered that messing around with inhuman RNG on these mounts is not the only content to do. You still have to deal with RNG with the weekly limit stuff, and I am sure you need complete the new 24 man thing in a week or miss out. With all the Do this or miss out weeklies and daily stuff you need to do, there isn't enough time to be doing 99 runs for a mount.

Not the whole game is or has to be casual friendly.

Where is that stated? they said "We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.” SO such a system is an oversight/ and or bugged, "lower then intended drop rates"

[Arutan]

Give it up already. People will keep saying that it is not casual friendly if they don't get everything as soon as they log in for the first time. Its to much effort to farm 99 tokens (the birds would drop more than once during that time anyway) hell its even to much effort to kill the ex primal because they have to learn the fight.

Seriously people why are you not willing to farm for something that you want so badly?

Because that's the new generation: not doing a thing and expect to get everything. Surely a game is fun when everything is given to you without doing anything. Where's the game in this anyway, who needs a game, all they need is flashy pixels because it looks cool and make them hard.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yes it is, this game is not named grinding mounts FFXIV, there is other stuff to do , like the dailies and weeklies, you know stuff YOU HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON! leaves no time to farm stuff like mounts for that long.

Let's say the 99 token exchange releases with 4.1; roughly a month from now. That amounts to 0.85% of hours invested on Primal farming between 4.0 and 4.1. If you consider it too much, play a different game. There is little else that can be said. It takes less time for me to play through Life if Strange.

It is NOT WORK! it is just pointless waste of time for no reason, and too much to even do it for many. Maybe for the 1980s - 2000, but this is almost 2018!!! why keep doing the game thing? no reason to depend on luck for content anymore. If you want to call it player laziness, then I can call it dev laziness for not coming up with something better.

Developers do not have infinite resources. No matter what game, genre or how innovative the content proves to be, we consume it far too quickly. You can argue until your blue in the face but it doesn't change the reality old Primals would be complete dead content by now. Want proof? Try queuing for Alexander or Coil tonight. You'll be waiting over an hour, if it ever pops to begin with. Why? No one does them because there is no reward. They don't care. Put a mount in A8N and I guarantee people will start running Brute Justice far more frequently. Calling it laziness only shows you can't appreciate the developers can't make enough content. This isn't unique to FFXIV either, but every single game released. What you're looking for is a hand out-- something you have to put in virtually no effort towards obtaining because you can't be bothered to run something more than once or twice. You are precisely the type of player developers don't cater to. Why? You'll only do everything a couple times, meaning nothing lasts beyond a week. That, in turn, leads to people unsubbing.

[Keridwyn]

You're yelling about there not being enough time after weekly stuff to grind mounts without realizing that for some of us we don't care about the weekly stuff. I don't care if I capped tomes/scrips or did my WT book. Don't care if my challenge log is done. Level other jobs at a lazy pace. But I can, have, and will continue to happily spend my time grinding for EX primal mounts because that is where my priorities lie.

You care more about the gear treadmill, I care about shinies with sweet music.

[Wade]

FFS I keep seeing this quoted “We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.” but no one quoting it is actually thinking it through. If you have to log in 99 days in a row and play 15 minutes for a mount you are a daily active user - you adhere to that rule! You are quoting something that disagrees with your argument!

[Claviusnex]

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I don't understand why you even bother with the game the way you are always complaining about having to play it to complete tasks or obtain items. Every thread is another "It's not fair" argument because you are forced to make choices as to what activities you do each time you log on. Every other player makes those same choices so what makes you so special? Maybe if you spent less time with useless complaining on the forums you might find you have more time to play the game.

[Snow_Princess]

You're yelling about there not being enough time after weekly stuff to grind mounts without realizing that for some of us we don't care about the weekly stuff. I don't care if I capped tomes/scrips or did my WT book. Don't care if my challenge log is done. Level other jobs at a lazy pace. But I can, have, and will continue to happily spend my time grinding for EX primal mounts because that is where my priorities lie.

You care more about the gear treadmill, I care about shinies with sweet music.

And if it took less time you would do more of those other things right? Only proves it takes too much time.

I don't understand why you even bother with the game the way you are always complaining about having to play it to complete tasks or obtain items. Every thread is another "It's not fair" argument because you are forced to make choices as to what activities you do each time you log on. Every other player makes those same choices so what makes you so special? Maybe if you spent less time with useless complaining on the forums you might find you have more time to play the game.

I do not understand why you need to insist running something for 99 times is a good thing, it is pointless uncreative time sink that not everyone can do. I am shocked it is in the game to begin with and even more socked people are defending it.

Let's say the 99 token exchange releases with 4.1; roughly a month from now. That amounts to 0.85% of hours invested on Primal farming between 4.0 and 4.1. If you consider it too much, play a different game. There is little else that can be said. It takes less time for me to play through Life if Strange.



Developers do not have infinite resources. No matter what game, genre or how innovative the content proves to be, we consume it far too quickly. You can argue until your blue in the face but it doesn't change the reality old Primals would be complete dead content by now. Want proof? Try queuing for Alexander or Coil tonight. You'll be waiting over an hour, if it ever pops to begin with. Why? No one does them because there is no reward. They don't care. Put a mount in A8N and I guarantee people will start running Brute Justice far more frequently. Calling it laziness only shows you can't appreciate the developers can't make enough content. This isn't unique to FFXIV either, but every single game released. What you're looking for is a hand out-- something you have to put in virtually no effort towards obtaining because you can't be bothered to run something more than once or twice. You are precisely the type of player developers don't cater to. Why? You'll only do everything a couple times, meaning nothing lasts beyond a week. That, in turn, leads to people unsubbing.

You mean you can't picture people "unsubing" over things taking too long so they are unable to really play and enjoy?

Also last I checked queue times for all the primal mounts is long, that is why people make PFs for them, even when WT was new, people did not go back to them though the DF, it had to be PF.

[Vahlnir]

You mean you can't picture people "unsubing" over things taking too long so they are unable to really play and enjoy?

Also last I checked queue times for all the primal mounts is long, that is why people make PFs for them, even when WT was new, people did not go back to them though the DF, it had to be PF.

Doing those fights through PF has always been preferable over randoming 7 strangers together. Always. You're so far out in left field with this topic. Clearly you're being disagreed with, and I'd imagine the devs also disagree considering how they implement content. That isn't them slighting you, or people with your point of view...this is them catering to what the majority wants. You are in the minority. And the majority seem to be doing just fine. What's stopping you from being part of the majority? Gonna have to come up with something beyond "it's not fair because reasons".

[Keridwyn]

And if it took less time you would do more of those other things right? Only proves it takes too much time.

Thanks but no, actually it wouldn't. I genuinely don't care enough about the carrots at the end of the weekly sticks to do the weekly thing. Thus the primal mount grind feels like a rewarding use of my sub. You can disagree, I don't mind we are all different, but don't assume that given more time I would do more things.

[Rokke]

You mean you can't picture people "unsubing" over things taking too long so they are unable to really play and enjoy?

Also last I checked queue times for all the primal mounts is long, that is why people make PFs for them, even when WT was new, people did not go back to them though the DF, it had to be PF.

People make PFs as you can pick and chose party setup, classes, ilv, and loot rules while also being able to requeue instantly with a full group. It makes for faster runs. Faster runs = more runs, more runs = more chances to see dogs, birds, ponies drop.


And yes, it is a time sink. Annoying as they are the game kinda needs them to keep people running things. If I was guaranteed drops on my first clear I wouldn't step foot in the EXs after getting my loot lol