SE, can you fix RDM's aggro?

[Snow_Princess]

I static with a RDM as a drk, it is a git gud issue. Sure I would lose hate sometimes in AoE situations but any high burst on single target DPS that needs to before going to AoE can do that. It is also a bit of an issue if they are releasing FULL burst on single target too soon, and having Lucid Dreaming can help with that. (and provoke) It would also help if instant = instant, it takes too long for monster start hitting you again after inputting provoke because the game takes too long to process animation.

For single target used your emitiy combo twice, then hard slash > drop grit > blood weapon syphon strike > dark arts soul eater. Then weave in DA/soul eater as you do the DPS combo again and different defense CDs at different points, put grit back up if you find your self taking too much damage.

Personally I found aoe hate harder on pld, but then again I find flash botting boring. (I am not sure how much I am supposed to be using flash since it is a DPS loss,total eclipse doesn't have an emitiy bonus.)

Nothing a tank can do will net them nearly as much enmity as a bursting RDM; maybe if the enmity is being diverted by a NIN using smokescreen, but that's still not anything the tank can do on its own. For dungeon runs, not much else is such a 'make-or-break' difference in role skill choice. Raiding, yes, but not normal dungeons. Might as well pick up diversion and avoid needless destruction to team play.

Yeah you do not need much, Diversion, swiftcast, lucid, manashift, and maybe addle ( though I do not know if damage formulas in this game works like that, some games lowering INT on the target means you can deal more damage to them) Not like you are going to use break, surecast, drain anyway...

[ErryK]

Nothing wrong with RDM's aggro- their burst is just really, really high. If RDM steal aggro from you, ask them to pick up diversion or use lucid dream early.

RDM has to open with Diversion if they don't want to pull off the tank, I have had it many times where I end up taking aggro and dying during raid because I didn't open with Diversion. There's only an issue if after using Diversion you are still pulling off the tank, which usually ends up being on the tank, and not the RDM.

Diversion is a wasted Job action on a RDM, they should use Lucid Dreaming to dump their aggro and get mana back, which is by far more useful.

Wasted opposed to what? Surecast? Drain?

[Xetagonist]

As a DRK main, no idea what you're doing wrong in keeping aggro off RDMs.

If you're losing hate to a pack of mobs, Unleash initiation + Abyssal Drain spamming works. Single target wise, a DA'd Power Slash Combo or two is sufficient after an Unmend + Unleash opener.

[Arrius]

Wasted opposed to what? Surecast? Drain?

Apocatastasis.

[SpiritMuse]

(I am not sure how much I am supposed to be using flash since it is a DPS loss,total eclipse doesn't have an emitiy bonus.)

In a dungeon? Use flash until you are comfortably holding hate. If you lose hate and your caster gets hit and their spell casting interrupted, that's a bigger dps loss than your total eclipse could make up for (and on top of that you'd have to spend extra GCDs working to reestablish hate anyway, even if it's not a caster who gets attacked). If you lose hate and your healer gets eaten and your party wipes... well, thats an even bigger dps loss, to put it in those terms.

[ErryK]

Apocatastasis.

I rarely use that outside of Savage content, because most damage in dungeons is physical. Diversion is technically a DPS gain as well, as it allows the MT to drop tank stance and increase his damage.

[Evumeimei]

I had a RDM constantly aggroing enemies in Castrum Abania. I don't think it was my fault, though I felt pretty bad about it. They were level 70 while I was 69, and I would use Shield Lob on one enemy (while waiting for GCD to use flash) and they'd inevitably pull aggro from one enemy during each start of the pull. I had no problems maintaining aggro once I got it back. I think they were attacking mobs I hadn't shield lobbed sometimes... But sometimes I think they just burst the enemy too fast. Ended up really disliking tanking that place (I don't tank much to begin with).

[Sigiria]

Apocatastasis.

Apocatastasis is even more situational than diversion though. Unless the boss got a nasty magic tank buster it's pretty much superfluous.
And on the other hand the RDM opening happen everytime. Lucid Dream reduce your current enmity, so if you're using it during your opener not only it might happen after you pulled the aggro and your target already start moving but you also will restart building aggro right after you used it and might waste some of the regen if you didn't use enough MP.

[Jijifli]

I can't have Diversion every pull guys...

Sure some of the time, but it's impossible for me to have it every pull. And when I do one scatter and the tank can't get hate off of me from the ONE scatter, I don't think Diversion would have made a difference anyways.

[Freyt]

As DRK you don't have much excuse. When it comes to groups you should be spamming Abyssal Drain anyways. When it comes to single targets that should be an even more sure thing. It's understandable that you can sometimes make mistakes, and when an enemy or two moves away from the group, it can be difficult to manage the aggro at that point, but that's merely a situation that stemmed from a mistake to begin with.