Drop Rates of mounts from Extreme primals & Dungeons

[Vidu]

99 takes too much time, it should change, there is no defense to make a system like that. Personally I think it is an oversight where they meant 9 or something, not 99. There is no way they stay stuff like "we do not cater those who can log in every day" and that is exactly what the current system is for

I calculated for you how long it takes to clear those fights 99 times - if thats to much time for you, thats okay, dont do it then.
This isnt meant to cater to those people who cant log in every day. Things like the weekly lockout on drops and the tome-cap cater to those who cant log in everyday. I dont understand where you're getting the idea from that everything in the game is meant for people who cant log in every day, but I'm telling you: This is not. This is to keep people busy when they've cleared everything else and still would like to "have something to do". Its clearly not a mistake - its in place to get people to do those fights again and again, so new people have a higher chance to get their clears because people who have already cleared will go in again since theres still something left for them.

See it like this: With how easy the current EX-primals are (I hope we're getting more difficult ones down the line btw) they cater to casuals.
You go in there, casually try a bit, learn a bit, get your clear.
Thats the casual part about them - and then the game tells you "Hey, if you want more - there is more!" - but thats not casual anymore, thats an extra. A bonus.
You dont need to log in everyday to get that bonus if you want it. You can literally work towards that in your own pace. Get three tokens a day (around 30-45 minutes), be done in a month - get one token a day (10-15 minutes), be done in three month. You have the option to take a more casual approach here, it will just take you longer than a person who puts in 3 days of farming.

If you have such an issue with those rewards requiring some effort, you best forget that they exists... they're their to give vets an incentive to run this content again. They're their to keep this content alive and people busy. They're not their to please casuals - plenty of other content is.

[Rokke]

Optional mounts are optional- You don't need to log in everyday, you don't need to run an EX 99 times, you don't need every mount.

Personally, I love the tokens since I have the absolute worst rng luck and they give me a countdown to when I will be guaranteed a prize.

[EternalAmbrosia]

Haven't tried to get the raid mounts on FFXIV. But I've been trying to get the Invincible mount from Ice Crown Citadel on WoW for MANY MANY YEARS NOW WITH STILL NO LUCK! run it once a week every week, no results FML.

I consider that one of the hardest mounts to obtain, seriously x_x

[Vahlnir]

Doing what you suggest would kill any and all content. If you put in the time, you WILL get your mounts. You have anywhere from 1-99 attempts to get a bird. Dungeon mount (there's seriously only 1), that will become easier to farm later on since it will be cleared faster, either through gear or 10 more levels. I just don't know what you expect from an MMO. This is how they've always been. RNG is RNG, and it will always be random. Just gotta keep trying and eventually it will pay off. This one is even more forgiving than most in that you are guaranteed a mount if you've farmed certain Ex fights 99 times. I wish I could get raid mounts in WoW with 99 kills, but I've been farming some of those for years...with no luck. Hundreds upon hundreds of runs easily for nothing. We have it easy here, trust me.

But I've been trying to get the Invincible mount from Ice Crown Citadel on WoW for MANY MANY YEARS NOW WITH STILL NO LUCK! run it once a week every week, no results FML.

I consider that one of the hardest mounts to obtain, seriously x_x

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[SokiYagami]

I don't know, I'm in the middle camp of "everyone has a decent chance to get everything if they put in enough time and effort". (the other two being: "not everyone should have everything, even in a game/exclusive should remain exclusive simply because exclusive" and "just hand me everything on a silver plate along with a Lala Stew, a pudding, a fruit juice and the hottest series on Netflix in 4K UHD) Which means, no timed exclusive (barring dead content) or crazy arse amount of artificial time gate. If you work for it, you have a good chance to get it. The primal mounts seem right in this section. The 99 tokens is a safety net for bad RNG, not the main objective. There's a couple things that you can consider to make the lottery experience slightly better:

1. Wait for SE to increase buff rate
2. Grind multiple things concurrently for better efficiency (ex. farm ex primals to cap weekly tome or grind tank mounts while farming for primal mounts, etc.)
3. Try out different jobs while farming, to keep the experience fresh while improving your skills/broaden your knowledge
4. Take a break every now and then

I can't stress this enough, but in MMO there will definitely be grinding somewhere, especially for one with a sub model. It's a necessity evil factor to keep content alive and provide things for players with huge amount of playing time to do. I think in particular to the primal mounts, the current model is fine after they added the 99 tokens on player's request. Just don't grind the same content repeatedly in a short period of time and burn yourself out. Pace yourself, try something new, do something else. The primal mounts have 2 drop rate buff, there will be plenty of time to work for it unless you started late.

If however, you still think there's a need to make things easier, instead of asking to boost the day 1 drop rate or lower the number of tokens required, I think you should request to extend the drop from going to a single player to the entire party. This way it will encourage more players to form a party and gather stuff together, like the Ala Mhigo predator mount. Then again, there will be people crying about their shiny toy becoming less valuable. There's just no win-win situation imo.

[Snow_Princess]

Doing what you suggest would kill any and all content. If you put in the time, you WILL get your mounts. You have anywhere from 1-99 attempts to get a bird. Dungeon mount (there's seriously only 1), that will become easier to farm later on since it will be cleared faster, either through gear or 10 more levels. I just don't know what you expect from an MMO. This is how they've always been. RNG isRNG, and it will always be random. Just gotta keep trying and eventually it will pay off. This one is even more forgiving than most in that you are guaranteed a mount if you've farmed certain Ex fights 99 times. I wish I could get raid mounts in WoW with 99 kills, but I've been farming some of those for years...with no luck. Hundreds upon hundreds of runs easily for nothing. We have it easy here, trust me.


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It is gear synced, so you are saying it is ok to lock out most people from it till 5.0. You are maxed out right now for outgearing it till 5.0

depending on rng or it kills all content what a joke. doing something over and over again 99 times does not make content. I do not expect RNG to be a core of MNO, get real. it stands ofr Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game, not RNG Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game. This is not 1980s where tech limits you to depends on rng.

I calculated for you how long it takes to clear those fights 99 times - if thats to much time for you, thats okay, dont do it then.
This isnt meant to cater to those people who cant log in every day. Things like the weekly lockout on drops and the tome-cap cater to those who cant log in everyday. I dont understand where you're getting the idea from that everything in the game is meant for people who cant log in every day, but I'm telling you: This is not. This is to keep people busy when they've cleared everything else and still would like to "have something to do". Its clearly not a mistake - its in place to get people to do those fights again and again, so new people have a higher chance to get their clears because people who have already cleared will go in again since theres still something left for them.

See it like this: With how easy the current EX-primals are (I hope we're getting more difficult ones down the line btw) they cater to casuals.
You go in there, casually try a bit, learn a bit, get your clear.
Thats the casual part about them - and then the game tells you "Hey, if you want more - there is more!" - but thats not casual anymore, thats an extra. A bonus.
You dont need to log in everyday to get that bonus if you want it. You can literally work towards that in your own pace. Get three tokens a day (around 30-45 minutes), be done in a month - get one token a day (10-15 minutes), be done in three month. You have the option to take a more casual approach here, it will just take you longer than a person who puts in 3 days of farming.

If you have such an issue with those rewards requiring some effort, you best forget that they exists... they're their to give vets an incentive to run this content again. They're their to keep this content alive and people busy. They're not their to please casuals - plenty of other content is.

Again you are focusing on one thing right now, by your logic, this game takes too much time to play, much more then people have, and that is not what the development team is focused on. Sorry you disagree with what the development has for the core of this game.

[Vahlnir]

It is gear synced, so you are saying it is ok to lock out most people from it till 5.0 depending on rng or it kills all content what a joke. doing something over and over again 99 times does not make content.
Again you are focusing on one thing right now, by your logic, this game takes too much time to play, much more then people have, and that is not what the development team is focused on.

Doesn't make any of it less farmable now, even casually. And yes, farming mounts over and over IS content regardless of what you think. Let's go with the 99 totem thing for example: say people do...10 runs a day. In 10 days they will have a mount. Even by doing 1-5 runs a day, they're still farming, and making reasonable progress. Sometimes people even get lucky and get a mount before reaching 99. No one is locked out from farming anything either, which I never even mentioned or promoted. It's about what people choose or not choose to do. They can either take part, or they can't. And people who don't have a lot of time STILL manage to get these things, so....yeah. Welcome to MMOs where random will be random and your progress is generally dictated by the time you choose to spend.

[Snow_Princess]

Doesn't make any of it less farmable now, even casually. And yes, farming mounts over and over IS content regardless of what you think. Let's go with the 99 totem thing for example: say people do...10 runs a day. In 10 days they will have a mount.Even by doing 1-5 runs a day, they're still farming, and making reasonable progress. Sometimes people even get lucky and get a mount before reaching 99. No one is locked out from farming anything either, which I never even mentioned or promoted. It's about what people choose or not choose to do. And people who don't have a lot of time STILL manage to get these things, so....yeah.

It is not content, it is an artificial barrier, and I seen many other things like that concept get debated, heck you are even quoting such a thing in your signature, disagreeing how that did not come to be. You should not be quoting that if you want to believe everyone deserve an equal shot at things. (The gating here is unreal amount of time to get something)

[Vahlnir]

It is not content, it is an artificial barrier, and I seen many other things like that concept get debated, heck you are even quoting such a thing in your signature, disagreeing how that did not come to be. You should not be quoting that if you want to believe everyone deserve an equal shot at things. (The gating here is unreal amount of time to get something)

Still content. Also, mounts and housing are 2 completely different things. You're really grasping at straws right now. Mounts are always available. Houses are not. Trying to compare the 2 is foolish at best. As far as mounts go, it's all about the time you wish to spend, and I'm getting the impression it's not worth it to you. So, don't do it. It's really that simple. Regardless of whether you take part or not, it's still doable content.

[SokiYagami]

Doesn't make any of it less farmable now, even casually. And yes, farming mounts over and over IS content regardless of what you think. Let's go with the 99 totem thing for example: say people do...10 runs a day. In 10 days they will have a mount. Even by doing 1-5 runs a day, they're still farming, and making reasonable progress. Sometimes people even get lucky and get a mount before reaching 99. No one is locked out from farming anything either, which I never even mentioned or promoted. It's about what people choose or not choose to do. They can either take part, or they can't. And people who don't have a lot of time STILL manage to get these things, so....yeah. Welcome to MMOs where random will be random and your progress is generally dictated by the time you choose to spend.

@Snow: Adding on to what Vahlnir said, farming primal mounts can be done at your own pacing. You can do it now or a few months (or longer, barring content being totally dead) down the road, you can do other content in between the farm, and you still have a decent chance to get the mount. It's not time exclusive, there's no limited quantity either.

And seriously, if you guys think this is bad, I'll direct you to take a look at the tiger mount thread. The primal mount is a good balance between effort and RNG imo. No time exclusive (once again, barring the content from being totally dead), no limited quantity, safety net for bad RNG via tokens, no ridiculous amount of artificial time gate and no need for no-life grinding.