Drop Rates of mounts from Extreme primals & Dungeons

[Snow_Princess]

If you have better things to do with your time, thats your choice ofc - but that comes with certain consequenses and those are, in this case, not getting the mount.
The alternative to gating it behind RNG is gating it behind real difficult fights - and we all know how well that sits with this community...

I'm pretty pleased with the compromisse they've made here: The fights itself are casual friendly enough for everyone to clear them, but anyone who want to get something more out of it, has something more to get out of those fights.
The game doesnt has to be only casual friendly or only hardcore - the devs are trying the best to appeal to both groups. Thats why we've got two raid-difficulties now. And there is nothing wrong with that - if you only want (or can) play casual, you can do that. You just wont get everything then, because some stuff isnt made for the casual gamer and not all stuff has to be for them.

99 takes too much time, it should change, there is no defense to make a system like that. Personally I think it is an oversight where they meant 9 or something, not 99. There is no way they stay stuff like "we do not cater those who can log in every day" and that is exactly what the current system is for

[Vidu]

99 takes too much time, it should change, there is no defense to make a system like that. Personally I think it is an oversight where they meant 9 or something, not 99. There is no way they stay stuff like "we do not cater those who can log in every day" and that is exactly what the current system is for

I calculated for you how long it takes to clear those fights 99 times - if thats to much time for you, thats okay, dont do it then.
This isnt meant to cater to those people who cant log in every day. Things like the weekly lockout on drops and the tome-cap cater to those who cant log in everyday. I dont understand where you're getting the idea from that everything in the game is meant for people who cant log in every day, but I'm telling you: This is not. This is to keep people busy when they've cleared everything else and still would like to "have something to do". Its clearly not a mistake - its in place to get people to do those fights again and again, so new people have a higher chance to get their clears because people who have already cleared will go in again since theres still something left for them.

See it like this: With how easy the current EX-primals are (I hope we're getting more difficult ones down the line btw) they cater to casuals.
You go in there, casually try a bit, learn a bit, get your clear.
Thats the casual part about them - and then the game tells you "Hey, if you want more - there is more!" - but thats not casual anymore, thats an extra. A bonus.
You dont need to log in everyday to get that bonus if you want it. You can literally work towards that in your own pace. Get three tokens a day (around 30-45 minutes), be done in a month - get one token a day (10-15 minutes), be done in three month. You have the option to take a more casual approach here, it will just take you longer than a person who puts in 3 days of farming.

If you have such an issue with those rewards requiring some effort, you best forget that they exists... they're their to give vets an incentive to run this content again. They're their to keep this content alive and people busy. They're not their to please casuals - plenty of other content is.

[Snow_Princess]

Doing what you suggest would kill any and all content. If you put in the time, you WILL get your mounts. You have anywhere from 1-99 attempts to get a bird. Dungeon mount (there's seriously only 1), that will become easier to farm later on since it will be cleared faster, either through gear or 10 more levels. I just don't know what you expect from an MMO. This is how they've always been. RNG isRNG, and it will always be random. Just gotta keep trying and eventually it will pay off. This one is even more forgiving than most in that you are guaranteed a mount if you've farmed certain Ex fights 99 times. I wish I could get raid mounts in WoW with 99 kills, but I've been farming some of those for years...with no luck. Hundreds upon hundreds of runs easily for nothing. We have it easy here, trust me.


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Someone who understands how real the struggle truly is. You're not alone, fellow ICC spammer.

It is gear synced, so you are saying it is ok to lock out most people from it till 5.0. You are maxed out right now for outgearing it till 5.0

depending on rng or it kills all content what a joke. doing something over and over again 99 times does not make content. I do not expect RNG to be a core of MNO, get real. it stands ofr Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game, not RNG Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game. This is not 1980s where tech limits you to depends on rng.

I calculated for you how long it takes to clear those fights 99 times - if thats to much time for you, thats okay, dont do it then.
This isnt meant to cater to those people who cant log in every day. Things like the weekly lockout on drops and the tome-cap cater to those who cant log in everyday. I dont understand where you're getting the idea from that everything in the game is meant for people who cant log in every day, but I'm telling you: This is not. This is to keep people busy when they've cleared everything else and still would like to "have something to do". Its clearly not a mistake - its in place to get people to do those fights again and again, so new people have a higher chance to get their clears because people who have already cleared will go in again since theres still something left for them.

See it like this: With how easy the current EX-primals are (I hope we're getting more difficult ones down the line btw) they cater to casuals.
You go in there, casually try a bit, learn a bit, get your clear.
Thats the casual part about them - and then the game tells you "Hey, if you want more - there is more!" - but thats not casual anymore, thats an extra. A bonus.
You dont need to log in everyday to get that bonus if you want it. You can literally work towards that in your own pace. Get three tokens a day (around 30-45 minutes), be done in a month - get one token a day (10-15 minutes), be done in three month. You have the option to take a more casual approach here, it will just take you longer than a person who puts in 3 days of farming.

If you have such an issue with those rewards requiring some effort, you best forget that they exists... they're their to give vets an incentive to run this content again. They're their to keep this content alive and people busy. They're not their to please casuals - plenty of other content is.

Again you are focusing on one thing right now, by your logic, this game takes too much time to play, much more then people have, and that is not what the development team is focused on. Sorry you disagree with what the development has for the core of this game.

[Vahlnir]

It is gear synced, so you are saying it is ok to lock out most people from it till 5.0 depending on rng or it kills all content what a joke. doing something over and over again 99 times does not make content.
Again you are focusing on one thing right now, by your logic, this game takes too much time to play, much more then people have, and that is not what the development team is focused on.

Doesn't make any of it less farmable now, even casually. And yes, farming mounts over and over IS content regardless of what you think. Let's go with the 99 totem thing for example: say people do...10 runs a day. In 10 days they will have a mount. Even by doing 1-5 runs a day, they're still farming, and making reasonable progress. Sometimes people even get lucky and get a mount before reaching 99. No one is locked out from farming anything either, which I never even mentioned or promoted. It's about what people choose or not choose to do. They can either take part, or they can't. And people who don't have a lot of time STILL manage to get these things, so....yeah. Welcome to MMOs where random will be random and your progress is generally dictated by the time you choose to spend.

[Snow_Princess]

Doesn't make any of it less farmable now, even casually. And yes, farming mounts over and over IS content regardless of what you think. Let's go with the 99 totem thing for example: say people do...10 runs a day. In 10 days they will have a mount.Even by doing 1-5 runs a day, they're still farming, and making reasonable progress. Sometimes people even get lucky and get a mount before reaching 99. No one is locked out from farming anything either, which I never even mentioned or promoted. It's about what people choose or not choose to do. And people who don't have a lot of time STILL manage to get these things, so....yeah.

It is not content, it is an artificial barrier, and I seen many other things like that concept get debated, heck you are even quoting such a thing in your signature, disagreeing how that did not come to be. You should not be quoting that if you want to believe everyone deserve an equal shot at things. (The gating here is unreal amount of time to get something)

[Vahlnir]

It is not content, it is an artificial barrier, and I seen many other things like that concept get debated, heck you are even quoting such a thing in your signature, disagreeing how that did not come to be. You should not be quoting that if you want to believe everyone deserve an equal shot at things. (The gating here is unreal amount of time to get something)

Still content. Also, mounts and housing are 2 completely different things. You're really grasping at straws right now. Mounts are always available. Houses are not. Trying to compare the 2 is foolish at best. As far as mounts go, it's all about the time you wish to spend, and I'm getting the impression it's not worth it to you. So, don't do it. It's really that simple. Regardless of whether you take part or not, it's still doable content.

[SokiYagami]

Doesn't make any of it less farmable now, even casually. And yes, farming mounts over and over IS content regardless of what you think. Let's go with the 99 totem thing for example: say people do...10 runs a day. In 10 days they will have a mount. Even by doing 1-5 runs a day, they're still farming, and making reasonable progress. Sometimes people even get lucky and get a mount before reaching 99. No one is locked out from farming anything either, which I never even mentioned or promoted. It's about what people choose or not choose to do. They can either take part, or they can't. And people who don't have a lot of time STILL manage to get these things, so....yeah. Welcome to MMOs where random will be random and your progress is generally dictated by the time you choose to spend.

@Snow: Adding on to what Vahlnir said, farming primal mounts can be done at your own pacing. You can do it now or a few months (or longer, barring content being totally dead) down the road, you can do other content in between the farm, and you still have a decent chance to get the mount. It's not time exclusive, there's no limited quantity either.

And seriously, if you guys think this is bad, I'll direct you to take a look at the tiger mount thread. The primal mount is a good balance between effort and RNG imo. No time exclusive (once again, barring the content from being totally dead), no limited quantity, safety net for bad RNG via tokens, no ridiculous amount of artificial time gate and no need for no-life grinding.

[Vidu]

Again you are focusing on one thing right now, by your logic, this game takes too much time to play, much more then people have, and that is not what the development team is focused on.
Sorry you disagree with what the development has for the core of this game.

This game is a theme park with lots of content and you can pick the content you're intrested in. Ofc the game takes much more time to play than the average person has. It has to offer a variety of content for us. Its a buffet: Way to much to eat aswell, but you pick what you want. Maybe you like a healthy diet of everything, but that means with the limited stomach/time you have, you wont get to experience any of the food "in depth". Or maybe you only like dessert - then you're happy to find a variety there instead of only one.

If you have limited time in this game, its up to you to choose what you want to focus on. My calculation was meant to show that, if those mounts are so important to you, they can be achieved even by a casual person if that casual person makes them their first priority for a while. If your only reply is "But I want to spend my time on other things in the game!" then my answer is: Those mounts are obviously not important to you then. You dont deserve them, there are not meant for you.
Deal with that - or decide that those mounts are infact important enough to put in the time and effort.

The team is focussed on providing a pleasent experience for everyone - and they're doing excatly that with those mounts:
- less RNG for the unlucky ones
- keeping their players busy/happy (despite what Yoshi is saying about "take a break between patches" its in their intrest to keep us subed - this might not be the most clever way, but its effective)
- keep those fights alive so that people who are just reaching them now, in a week, in a month... have a chance to find a group - this is how the 99 tokens cater to casuals: they're providing you with people who still want to do the fight when you casually reached it.

The devs can not and are not only catering to casual people. They are aware that there are people out there that are playing their game for hours a day - and thats in their best intrest to cater to them aswell.
If you want to play this game casually, you can - you cant have everything then, though. Your choice.

[Rokke]

Optional mounts are optional- You don't need to log in everyday, you don't need to run an EX 99 times, you don't need every mount.

Personally, I love the tokens since I have the absolute worst rng luck and they give me a countdown to when I will be guaranteed a prize.