Kick Abuse

[Ageofwar]

I know I've seen that screenshot posted around for years now. SE should make an official statement somewhere since we have since seen GM screenshots that counteract the call from that GM.

Regardless, if you were active and they labeled the reason as "AFK" which is what it sounds like they did, then you were right to report them. I hope you included that statement. Sounds like they may have bitten themselves in the ass not realizing that the other person was with you and could provide that evidence.

is there anyway of finding out the reason that was given when you get kicked? the only message I got was "You have been removed from duty and party"

[HyoMinPark]

is there anyway of finding out the reason that was given when you get kicked? the only message I got was "You have been removed from duty and party"

No; only the GMs can see that kind of information.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Single targeting during large pulls can result in the tank dying through no fault of their own. They will inevitably run out of cooldowns, which makes it significantly harder on the healer to keep them alive. Therefore, you were placing a greater burden on both players or forcing them to conform to your preferred playstyle of baby pulls. Frankly speaking, I won't pull less than six mobs unless I'm woefully undergeared. It's exceedingly boring from both a tank and healer perspective. With that in mind, I would first ask you to aoe targets and explain the massive damage boost. If you refused, I'd probably kick you too. Why? You're making the dungeon slower and forcing me to pull less because you can't be bothered to spam your aoes. By your own admission, you find it "faster and I can control my mana". Basically, you prefer it. I prefer speed and efficiency. A vote kick determines what the party fancies. And 9/10, they will kick DPS who aren't aoeing in higher level dungeons.

[Kogekigami]

well they gloated how 'shame i was afk' after they kicked me and my friend reported too. As for aoe over single. I have high direct hit and crit gear and it controls my mana. I suspect its because he struggled with aggro at the same time he didn't use cool downs and the healer didn't dps so in same theory i could kick them both?

I don't want to see kicking people for different play styles allowable not because of this because i feel its how you build a toxic community I mean look at league for example where people tilt if you don't play your champ or role exactly how they want to 100% how they want to. if you want your 100% proficient team play with a pre made 4 man.

[HyoMinPark]

well they gloated how 'shame i was afk' after they kicked me and my friend reported too. As for aoe over single. I have high direct hit and crit gear and it controls my mana. I suspect its because he struggled with aggro at the same time he didn't use cool downs and the healer didn't dps so in same theory i could kick them both?

Direct Hit and Crit have no effect on the rate in which you accrue black and white mana; those values are static based on the skills used. They are not dependent on D.Hit/Crit values, and D.Hit/Crit values still apply to AOE damaging spells as well as single-target spells. It not like your D.Hit/Crit chances will decrease if you choose to Enchanted Moulinet/Scatter spam over single-target melee combo+nuke or single-target Ver spells.

While RDM are particularly good at pulling aggro (I do it often), you can't use that an excuse to not AOE. And was the tank actively not using their cooldowns, or did they run out? Was the healer actively not DPSing, or where they unable to because they had to babysit the tank's health? Personally, I don't tolerate tanks that don't use cooldowns, healers that stand around idly doing nothing, and DPS that do not AOE when appropriate, and I don't hesitate to say something if I notice it becoming a problem. I'm expected to play my part, so I expect the other people I'm with to at least put in a little bit of effort.

I don't want to see kicking people for different play styles allowable not because of this because i feel its how you build a toxic community I mean look at league for example where people tilt if you don't play your champ or role exactly how they want to 100% how they want to. if you want your 100% proficient team play with a pre made 4 man.

I don't play WoW so, can't comment on it. However, most of the instances of vote kick abuse are not actually abusive when looked at objectively. They only come off as abusive to the individual that was kicked. Objectively speaking, you were choosing single-target over AOE for large pulls, which is not only gimping yourself in terms of damage per second, but it also puts an unnecessary strain on your tank and healer--tanks don't have infinite amounts of cool downs, and when they run out, the healer has to resort to babysitting them rather than also contributing to group DPS. No one expect 95th percentile numbers in 4-man dungeons, but they also expect people to do more than just roll their face on a keyboard or alt-tab Netflix while spamming a singular spell.

The occurrence of truly abusive vote kicks are few and far between. If they were an issue, the Devs would have probably addressed it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

well they gloated how 'shame i was afk' after they kicked me and my friend reported too. As for aoe over single. I have high direct hit and crit gear and it controls my mana. I suspect its because he struggled with aggro at the same time he didn't use cool downs and the healer didn't dps so in same theory i could kick them both?

I don't want to see kicking people for different play styles allowable not because of this because i feel its how you build a toxic community I mean look at league for example where people tilt if you don't play your champ or role exactly how they want to 100% how they want to. if you want your 100% proficient team play with a pre made 4 man.

Personally, I hate getting healers that don't DPS but as a healer player myself, I will kick a tank if they aren't using CDs properly and it becomes enough of an issue. That being said, DPS are supposed to deal as much damage as possible. Your direct hit and crit will translate to your aoes. Red Mages can easily pull upwards 6,000+ DPS on big pull whereas single targeting cuts that damage by more than half.

It won't change because the GMs would then have to enforce a standard "playstyle" for everyone. If the healer and I (tank) are okay with mass pulling. Why should you coast by single targeting or force use to slow down because you prefer it? Which playstyle wins here? If you only want to play your way, I can say the same to you: set up a pre-made with friends. Duty Finder is meant only to pair random people together. What they choose to do thereafter is up to them.

[RitsukoSonoda]

The real problem is "difference in playstyle" carries too broad of a scope. If difference in playstyle is accepted as legitimate grounds for a vote kick then it would be fine to kick players for the following
-The job they are using because it doesn't fit in your desired "meta"
-Opening a treasure chest because you didn't want the item inside
-Not participating in their ERP during the duty

The list of absurd reasons is limitless under this one term. I feel it should only count when it crosses the line into harassment.

[TaleraRistain]

is there anyway of finding out the reason that was given when you get kicked? the only message I got was "You have been removed from duty and party"

No, you can't. But in this instance the OP still had a "man on the inside" who was able to see them make that comment about being afk in party chat. This says to me that they probably lied about the reason and I personally hope a GM nails their ass to the wall for it.

[Kogekigami]

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Yes I don't like healers who don't dps (as I mained healer in heavensward) but I don't yell at them. I sigh to myself and get on. Cause in life you can't dictate everyone to bow to your whim. If you don't like the party you receive in random duty they you can leave and bite the penalty.

I mean on the last mob I lbed which is a aoe if i want to be sassy but eh What I think Is needed is a defiant word from the dev on where the line is. Cause it seems the Gms don't seem to be consistent either.

[Kogekigami]

The real problem is "difference in playstyle" carries too broad of a scope. If difference in playstyle is accepted as legitimate grounds for a vote kick then it would be fine to kick players for the following
-The job they are using because it doesn't fit in your desired "meta"
-Opening a treasure chest because you didn't want the item inside
-Not participating in their ERP during the duty

The list of absurd reasons is limitless under this one term. I feel it should only count when it crosses the line into harassment.

Pretty much. It would be nice if they can come foreward and say fine this is the written down in stone rule and where it ends. Cause yes in theory with a loose term of 'difference of playstyle' A bard could kick a samurai cause its not a drg so they won't get the piercing resistance.