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    I want to know more about the giant boat. I've got a great feeling about this.
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    Sharlayan, they seem pretty greek-inspired and I'm a sucker for ancient greek themes. Although outside the fact that most (or about half) of the Scions are Sharlayan, I don't think we've seen much in the way of fashion (architecture, on the other hand, is all over the Hinterlands, and beautiful <3 )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
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    Juggernauts are believable but the actual warships? Not so much, unless they have ambush tactics for when they decide to land I would simply assume they are too high in the sky to simply shoot down with magic. It's more so how the lore hypes up garleans as this threatening military force with destructive weapons and warmachina yet they are shown to be quite easy to eliminate, I mean it'd be like having one side with airplanes and one with 1700's weaponry. It's pretty obvious which one would lose. Not to sound harsh but I think the lore within the actual plot is quite lazily implemented whereas the world surrounding it is quite in-depth and makes some degree of sense, it's just once that comes into the MS it becomes underwhelming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VargasVermillion View Post
    Juggernauts are believable but the actual warships? Not so much, unless they have ambush tactics for when they decide to land I would simply assume they are too high in the sky to simply shoot down with magic. It's more so how the lore hypes up garleans as this threatening military force with destructive weapons and warmachina yet they are shown to be quite easy to eliminate, I mean it'd be like having one side with airplanes and one with 1700's weaponry. It's pretty obvious which one would lose. Not to sound harsh but I think the lore within the actual plot is quite lazily implemented whereas the world surrounding it is quite in-depth and makes some degree of sense, it's just once that comes into the MS it becomes underwhelming.
    The times we've seen actual warships brought down it was largely thanks to the Dravinians, Midgardsormr knocking that entire invasion force out of the air at the Battle of Lake Silvertear and Hraesvelgr giving Ysayle that assist in Azys Lla. As long as the dragons keep helping the Alliance out on that front, for whatever their own inscrutable reasons, Eorzea cannot be invaded by air using Garlemald's current technology standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJerome View Post
    As long as the dragons keep helping the Alliance out on that front, for whatever their own inscrutable reasons, Eorzea cannot be invaded by air using Garlemald's current technology standards.
    Still doesn't explain how they did it for ala mhigo, the dragons weren't there and even if there are some dragons there it's not a guaranteed victory, unless they have another midgardsormr. You're right that with the dravanians there they would have a hard time taking the skies in all of aldernard but that depends on whether the dragons would even bother, I remember being mentioned in a lore Q&A that when asked if they'd join the fight they said Dragons are simply indifferent to whatever empire exists at the time. to them Allag was only a few weeks ago.
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    The Alliance won the war for Ala Mhigo because the Empire seems limited to one capital ship (Agrius and Gration), and because Zenos was more interested in getting an enjoyable fight out of it than actually winning. He had the Resistance cornered in Rhalgr's Reach, but let us walk because he was intrigued by our potential (or was simply too bored to care).

    Midgardsormr's reason for stopping the Agrius remains unknown. Hraesvelgr only ferried Ysayle to Azys Lla because he acknowledged her desire to atone for her sins; Ysayle (as Shiva) disabled the Gration's engines (and the engines alone), seemingly indefinitely. (And also got herself killed, which to me is not atonement... but I digress.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Ysayle (as Shiva) disabled the Gration's engines (and the engines alone), seemingly indefinitely.
    I admit I'm still not sure how much this actually affects the Garlean military's effectiveness. While the Gration is the second ship of the Agrius class, and the only other one we know of apart from the first, the Garlean Empire don't seem too overly concerned with having it stranded in Azys Lla.

    In fact, they've been busily ferrying personnel and materiel back and forth via regular airships, and have even started constructing a castrum on Azys Lla, some distance from the Gration's landing point. (Castrum Solus, which looks like the Garleans just set up around existing Azys Lla architecture.)

    And yet, building a ship that size cannot be cheap, even for the Empire. So why bother building it in the first place, if they're just going to turn it into a non-mobile outpost? Is the Gration (and the Agrius before it) basically a Death Star situation? IE a bunch of regular airships/Star Destroyers can be built more efficiently and effectively for the same cost, but its value lies in being a singular symbol of might.
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    Maybe after the loss of the Agrius they went back to the drawing board to redesign some anti-dragon ships, but the Gration was to far along in construction to be scrapped or converted, so they just finished it? Ship building in real life is a matter of years, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayve View Post
    Ship building in real life is a matter of years, after all.
    Especially flying metal ones that hold other ships, lots of people and is equipped with plenty of weaponry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayve View Post
    Maybe after the loss of the Agrius they went back to the drawing board to redesign some anti-dragon ships, but the Gration was to far along in construction to be scrapped or converted, so they just finished it? Ship building in real life is a matter of years, after all.
    Could be. I was going to say that I didn't think the Empire would be sending another Agrius-class airship into a region famous for belligerent dragons, but then I remembered that Azys Lla is above Abalathia's Spine, rather than Dravania.
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