Again the regen thing! Wasn't it gone and done?

[Jybril]

So many tanks are just bad. I never used to have a problem with regens on pull either, while tanking the entirety of HW & most of ARR.

Granted I have made the switch back to DPS this patch.. I imagine not much has changed aside from WAR losing Flash.

You know... I get HoTs on me before pulls all the time. And I have never had issues with picking up mobs. A single Flash is enough to obliterate any aggro a healer could've done.

Are Paladins just that good at picking up aggro, or are so many tanks just bad?

Just wondering, but did you read any of the 15 pages? Because people explained
why this is annoying. Nothing to do with bad tanks.

[LineageRazor]

Just wondering, but did you read any of the 15 pages? Because people explained
why this is annoying. Nothing to do with bad tanks.

I have not read all 15 pages - but in my experience, a good tank can function perfectly well during pulls whether they have Regen on or not. I still consider it bad form for a healer to cast Regen during a pull, but it's enough of a non-issue for me that I neither complain, nor click it off before pulling. I'm aware I have Regen on, and I know who the mobs are going to beeline for. That gives me all I need to know to intercept them, while still keeping up the pace. Same goes for leftover Regen after finishing off a pack of mobs, which it's much harder to blame a healer for.

If I miss out on the fact that I have Regen on and mess up a pull, I consider that to be as much my bad (for not paying attention) as the healer's.

[kazeandi]

IMHO, only actually healed HP should cause threat. Casting a HOT on someone with full HP shouldn't do anything to the aggro list. That's how it works in other games, where you can be proactive as a healer and maybe buy a few seconds to do other things. The way it is, it's a bit counterintuitive.

[Nhisso]

Yeah.
Git gud.

Seriously though. You sound like you are lazy af and dont want to have to ever get aggro back.
Enmity is your job, playa. If i were your healer id let you wipe.

[Jib]

This thread is still going?!

This is so simple. Regen pre pull is silly, is annoying. If a healer does it for whatever reason then the healer should be close/next to tank, so mobs can easily be picked up.
A healer doing constant pre pull regen and not moving or running away from tank and a tank being noob enough not to be able to pick up adds are both bad players.

/end

[Kabzy]

If only they would actually listen though. No matter how politely I've phrased it, over and over again people will either ignore me or give me some variation of "do your job I'll do mine

Nothing you can do about those kind of people unfortunately

1) Pull a few targets.
2) Wait for the Regen to tick.
3) Allow the healer to take aggro and die swiftly.
4) /laugh at their corpse.

[JunseiKei]

I just click off the regen. I don't play tank- if I'm playing it, I'm either leveling it, using it for the cluster, or am pulling someone else through leveling. I have no intention of "git gud"-ing on a role I simply don't like. Which, let's take a moment here and be serious. Simply saying "git gud" in regard to having a regen on you while first engaging mobs is the healer simply telling the tank to compensate for a lazy, incompetent playstyle that can lead to some very needlessly risky situations. The "git gud" is honestly better directed at the healer who would ever utter this phrase. The irony.

Healer wise, if I've done this, which I have, but not at pre-pull, I run right next to the tank and even stand right on top of them. Eh, I've misjudged tanks stopping to get a better aggro hold for I'm stopping here with this group. Even before I ever picked up a tank, I understood running away from the tank is a stupid decision. Dungeons aren't the same as pre-pull regens for being able to pot and dish out enough DPS to make sure you don't hit enrage. Come on now.

[micropanther7]

I have not read all 15 pages - but in my experience, a good tank can function perfectly well during pulls whether they have Regen on or not. I still consider it bad form for a healer to cast Regen during a pull, but it's enough of a non-issue for me that I neither complain, nor click it off before pulling. I'm aware I have Regen on, and I know who the mobs are going to beeline for. That gives me all I need to know to intercept them, while still keeping up the pace. Same goes for leftover Regen after finishing off a pack of mobs, which it's much harder to blame a healer for.

If I miss out on the fact that I have Regen on and mess up a pull, I consider that to be as much my bad (for not paying attention) as the healer's.

Have I missed a memo or something about not using Regen on trash pulls AT ALL? I'm talking after they've pulled humongous packs, not a handful of mobs. Apologies if I misread your meaning I usually PoM/Aero 3, assize if it's off cooldown, few holys, maybe use benediction/eye for an eye/regen if the tank's out of cooldowns. I usually chuck a regen on extra squishies as well, and have had yet to rip hate off the tank to the extent some people are suggesting in this thread, aggro bar rarely moves (maybe if I'm level synced down into Cutter's Cry Then again I'm extra careful there and in other lower level dungeons, new tanks learning and all that). Depends on the tank really, if they're new to the instance and finding their feet, it's just adjusting to each other's flow. Healers and tanks should support each other!!

1) Pull a few targets.
2) Wait for the Regen to tick.
3) Allow the healer to take aggro and die swiftly.
4) /laugh at their corpse.

LOL evil

[LineageRazor]

Have I missed a memo or something about not using Regen on trash pulls AT ALL? I'm talking after they've pulled humongous packs, not a handful of mobs. Apologies if I misread your meaning I usually PoM/Aero 3, assize if it's off cooldown, few holys, maybe use benediction/eye for an eye/regen if the tank's out of cooldowns. I usually chuck a regen on extra squishies as well, and have had yet to rip hate off the tank to the extent some people are suggesting in this thread, aggro bar rarely moves (maybe if I'm level synced down into Cutter's Cry Then again I'm extra careful there and in other lower level dungeons, new tanks learning and all that). Depends on the tank really, if they're new to the instance and finding their feet, it's just adjusting to each other's flow. Healers and tanks should support each other!!

I think you must be misreading me. Absolutely, Regen should be used while fighting trash mobs. It's one of, if not THE most MP efficient cures in the game. It's just best to wait on casting it until the tank has performed some kind of enmity-generating action on EVERY mob in the pack. However, it was also my point that a good tank will be able to maintain control over every mob in the pack even if the healer does NOT wait. To such a tank, having Regen active during a pull is a minor inconvenience, at worst.

[micropanther7]

I think you must be misreading me. Absolutely, Regen should be used while fighting trash mobs. It's one of, if not THE most MP efficient cures in the game. It's just best to wait on casting it until the tank has performed some kind of enmity-generating action on EVERY mob in the pack. However, it was also my point that a good tank will be able to maintain control over every mob in the pack even if the healer does NOT wait. To such a tank, having Regen active during a pull is a minor inconvenience, at worst.

Ah yeah I was misreading thank you for the clarification