Again the regen thing! Wasn't it gone and done?

[Aleczan]

Sometimes it's just bad habits, honestly. I used to have Regen as auto reflex of my hand whenever my tank takes DMG. I used to do it EVERY TIME in The Wanderer's Palace when Speed Run just started to get to that dungeon. We would attempt to do a super pull, and my Regen would ruin the party's dynamic, and hell would break lose and we would wipe. Next pull I would be able to refrain from it, and we passed through the dungeon without any more issue.

Then, the next day, when we did that again, I would repeat the same error.

I kept getting reprimanded by my (static) tank everyday. Perhaps it took about a week or so to completely stop throwing a Regen before the pull is settled and the party was ready to start killing the mobs.

On a related topic, as a main heal, I am probably more pissed than you when my (Duty Finder) tank charged into the next mob to pull without waiting for 5 or 10 secs for previously applied Regen or Medica II to wear off (or just manually cancel the damn status) and made all the aggroing mobs run in the opposite direction of the tank to the back row to beat up on me. XD

[micropanther7]

If only they would actually listen though. No matter how politely I've phrased it, over and over again people will either ignore me or give me some variation of "do your job I'll do mine / you don't pay my sub kthx". I'm sad I finished leveling all my healers so now I have to trust other people in DF...

Nothing you can do about those kind of people unfortunately, it's a mixed bag in roulette. I'd do as Kazrah suggested, and also tell them to use lustrate. In DF roulette, an inexperienced healer who's just got regen at level 35 (say you get Cutter's Cry for example), might be unsure of the right timing to throw regen on you and if it's their first time in there... I'd cut them a little slack.

Edited to add: Both Saccharin and Aletin make excellent points, even experienced healers can make a mistimed regen, especially in DF when you don't know your tank

[Saccharin]

They are returning back!
The healers that haven't nothing other to do than put a regen on you the instant before you are taking aggro from a group of mobs.

Dudes, I don't want play an aggro war with you, why are you testing me at every pull? Why I have to watch out even for my healer other than the bad guys?

What worsen the situation, the couple mobs that maybe have to retake aggro are running away the pack because healer running around the map as an headless chicken, instead of taking mobs to me. I'd start to think he wanted a scene of merry-go-round to screenshot...

A pre pull regen might have been applied during the previous trash pull. If you're struggling to keep agro AFTER the pull from a regen then you need to concentrate on enmity and not damage.

[Aleczan]

If only they would actually listen though. No matter how politely I've phrased it, over and over again people will either ignore me or give me some variation of "do your job I'll do mine / you don't pay my sub kthx". I'm sad I finished leveling all my healers so now I have to trust other people in DF...

I really really hate the "you don't pay my sub" notion. I would retort at them about it, saying "but you're ruining the strategy and making my tanking harder than it already is"

"You don't pay my sub" and "don't tell me how to play" is not justified if the errors DO affect the party or make other party members suffer from the consequence. We have to rights to tell people when they're doing the wrong thing.

[Spiroglyph]

I don't think it's a tank problem if they have issues managing aggro in a big pull with healers tossing out regens left and right - I'm saying this as a healer main who'd prefer to toss out a quick casted or OGCD heal if the tank is getting dangerously low on health during a pull, or just start healing once the pulling stops.

The ONLY time I could consider throwing regen on a tank mid pull would be if they're so ridiculously slow while pulling that they're taking a crap ton more damage than they should - if they're taking that long, usually it's because they're making sure they have enmity well established on what they're pulling, in which case I might as well regen or heal since aggro should no longer be a problem.

But yeah - it's happened to me a few times while leveling my tanks in SB - if a healer's busy casting med2 and regens pre pull, you can already assume you're signing up for a fun run! :^)

[Crysten]

They are returning back!
The healers that haven't nothing other to do than put a regen on you the instant before you are taking aggro from a group of mobs.

Dudes, I don't want play an aggro war with you, why are you testing me at every pull? Why I have to watch out even for my healer other than the bad guys?

What worsen the situation, the couple mobs that maybe have to retake aggro are running away the pack because healer running around the map as an headless chicken, instead of taking mobs to me. I'd start to think he wanted a scene of merry-go-round to screenshot...

If you're losing hate to a pre-pull Regen, understandable to a degree, but not game changing. I will always run up to a tank once they're positioned on a pull anyway to prep for Holy bombs on WHM.

If you're losing hate to a post pull Regen, learn to friggin' tank.

[LittleSparrow]

I play tank and healer both, and running in head first without a single flash/lob is not a good way to pull at all. I see tanks do this all the time, and yes, they do lose aggro.

I never have issues with thrash pulls, because I use the enmity generating abilities that were given to me. Hell, a single flash or lob does the trick. The only tanks that are losing aggro are the ones that expect to keep aggro when all they do is run past mobs. So yes, you guys really need to "git gud".

[Remedi]

The problem with regen prepull is not with static pulls, but with pulls in place like ala mhigo where mobs rush you, they get in combat with you before they reach you and a regen will grab them so healers should be mindful of that

[Laerune]

If it happens once, tell them if they keep doing it, then either kick them and find a new healer or let the healer enjoy healing more then normal, while running away from the monsters.

[LalaRu]

Regen after pull did never were an issue, and as pointed out before, last enmity changes made the job more simple. I am the one to blame if I lose aggro after pull, but I am talking of the instant before the pull.

Even when that happens, there are no issues if mobs are just running to healer and they need pass thru me, I can stop them halfway. The issue comes when mobs are from multiple points and I cannot be two places at same time.

If healer's regen messed the grouping it is bad for everyone, I'll need some time to make the pack together again and blm smashing only half pack before that.

In order to let healer survive I also can chase mobs, but if the pack I got with me have cleaves or frontal aoes, I'll risk face them to the party, and that is never good for anyone.

I also can single-picking them with my ranged aggro, but if mobs hit hard healer will be in danger and aoe aggro is better but it need me move to mobs, and healer running doesn't help it.

if they run away and die, it is their fault

I'll try hard to make that not happen, bad healer or not, a wipe is bad for everyone and even when facing a pug with bad aggro management I'll do anything I can to take all the aggro.

The main issue I have with them, is why test me so hard when we all can have a nice and smooth run. First time, I can ask to wait regen after pull, second time you are doing it on purpose and you want just test me.