Again the regen thing! Wasn't it gone and done?

[lulunami]

Step your game up instead of complaining on the forums.

[Felis]

/statusoff Regen

Not only good if regen get casted between pulls, but also if it was casted during a battle but don't run out before the next pull.

Step your game up instead of complaining on the forums.

The marked one count also for the healer. A party is team play, not solo play with others.
If you have aggro, don't run away. Run to the tank, so he can take the aggro from you without hunting you.
Only exception is if kiting is part of the strategy (Cutter's Cry ant boss).

[Miste]

I don't know....some people here don't seem to fully understand how annoying it is to have a healer put regen on you just as you Tomahawk a group of 3 mobs and have 2 of the mobs run right by you to the healer before you can overpower since your GCD is going and you cannot actually take any action.

People are also making the mistake that it is a "maintaining aggro" issue when it isn't. It is only a problem right at pull and having to chase the mobs because your GCD is going from your initial Tomahawk/Shield Lob/Unmend.

*some pulls in dungeons you can run up and facepull overpower and hit them all which is great (IE: first pull in Bardam or Doma), but the mobs are not always clumped enough for all dungeons or every pull for that to be an option.

I main healer but I've played tanks...therefore I NEVER REGEN a tank on pull when I am healing since I know how freaking annoying it is. Is the healer going to die? They shouldn't as long as you chase the mobs. Really freaking annoying for the tank though? Yes.

No beast gauge for Steel Cyclone? Great I have to chase the healer and the mobs and maneuver to try to hit the 2 runaway mobs with overpower while the healer is running around like a chicken. Other tanks maybe not as bad, their AoE aggro is a circle around them and doesn't have to be aimed. For WAR? You're wasting my GCD's and TP as I try to get hate on everything and made me chase you down.

I know some healers claim "well I come over to you!", but you have to remember not all healers who regen prepull do this for you (most I've seen make me chase them around) and you have to take into account server latency. I've seen a healer say "I come and stand near you, what's the problem?", but on my screen they are not keeping up with me and therefore the mobs are always out of my range.

So I have to turn around and run to them and try to overpower as they run by me and then overpower misses one of them and then I have to use another GCD and more TP again to overpower or tomahawk the mob I missed since with server latency the healer probably never succeeds to put the mobs where I need them for overpower.

The healers that do this also for me ends up being useless overhealing and then the regen is half gone by the time I even take any damage. Might as well have just waited for me to get all the mobs I am going to get instead of a regen that was just useless aggro because it was just overhealing no damage as I sprint.

TL;DR: As someone who has played WAR. The main problem with regening as a tank pulls is that it is ANNOYING for the tank. Once I hit everything once the healer won't have hate, but the problem with that is I have to hit everything at least once and 2/3 of the mobs run straight for the healer and I have to chase them now to get that one hit. We aren't going to wipe, but why be annoying just for useless overheal.

[Saccharin]

I don't know....some people here don't seem to fully understand how annoying it is to have a healer put regen on you just as you Tomahawk a group of 3 mobs and have 2 of the mobs run right by you to the healer before you can overpower since your GCD is going and you cannot actually take any action.

Don't range pull for a start. It might look cool but it was no practical use. A tanks job is to tank mobs away from the group not move them closer to the group. Run in with overpower and you'll get hate as soon as you engage them.

Easy.

[Miste]

Don't range pull for a start. It might look cool but it was no practical use. A tanks job is to tank mobs away from the group not move them closer to the group. Run in with overpower and you'll get hate as soon as you engage them.

Easy.

You didn't read my whole post before replying did you.

*some pulls in dungeons you can run up and facepull overpower and hit them all which is great (IE: first pull in Bardam or Doma), but the mobs are not always clumped enough for all dungeons or every pull for that to be an option.

For giggles here is Qarn Normal first pull. This is the first dungeon healers have regens (besides SCH fairy)



Just a fyi it isn't possible to run in and overpower and hit all the bats. Even if you ran over to the right and overpowered the far right one aimed at the middle one overpower range isn't far enough. I know because just as I took this screenshot I tried to do that. Missed the middle and of course the left one. If I had regen on me when I tried that guess where the other two bats are going?

These mobs wander around so it is possible you might get lucky and zone in and they are clumped up, but I went into Qarn twice and both times they were this spread out. Unless you want the party to sit and wait for the mobs to move into convenient positions then you cannot overpower face pull because you are just going to still miss 2/3 of the mobs same as tomahawk anyway.

[LalaRu]

/statusoff Regen

This is a great hint and will immediately add it to my pull macros. Thanks a lot!

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Tomahawk > Overpower.
Yup.

Sure, the heal will take 1 or 2 auto attacks because of lag, GCD, or whatever, but the mobs running to the healer will group up that way, and overpower definitely beats Regen... And the healer might be at... 80% HP min. That doesn't seem too bad, and I had almost nobody complaining in years... Is it comfortable ? Well, almost as much as if the healer didn't cast Regen at all, yes x)

If you don't want to accomodate to the party and be the better player, your choice, but I do think accomodating to the party is my job as a tank, and I have no trouble doing it, and had no problem doing it for the past four years.

So, the "git gud" and the "learn to pull" solutions may be the solution to all you problems...

[Hen-Hen]

This is a great hint and will immediately add it to my pull macros. Thanks a lot!

my macro for regen killing is:

/statusoff regen
/statusoff "medica II"
/statusoff "aspected benefic"
/statusoff "aspected helios"
/statusoff "whispering dawn"
/statusoff regen
/statusoff "medica II"
/statusoff "aspected benefic"
/statusoff "aspected helios"
/statusoff "whispering dawn"

that gets rid of every regen int he game, and then does it again because they can be stacked in trials.

[Greedalox]

Ironic (and let's admit, hypocritical) how many people here are telling tanks to git gud instead of the healers. It's a bad habit, a tank should always be flipping off Regen/HoTs before the next pull and healers shouldn't be putting that stuff up until a tanks established.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

I'd rather have a healer that always puts regen on me and DPSs his share than a healer that sits between two heals...

I don't do it as a healer because tanks are as touchy as healers and DPSs and I'm trying to be as "average player" friendly as possible, but that's a meh-habit at worse, as it isn't so much of a nuisance for a good tank... But sure, if you're just a tank that's leveling up a tank for the first time, that's annoying and that macro up there is useful... But as a tank main, Regen and other such things are just a nice HoT and a slightly different pull.

I really think if we spent less time telling each other to git gud, maybe we'd actually git gud...