Where are all the healers?

[Taika]

Just to reminder you, deliver damage is a DPS job, not healer's. If the DPS needs that healers also deliver damage to get the clear, they need to learn properly their rotation.

Just to remind you, there are fights in this game where healer DPS is required to clear (right now at least OS3 and OS4) even when all DDs and tanks are performing optimally.

Also, doing DPS is part of healers' job in this game. They have the abilities, they have plenty of time to use them (on normal runs in every content), so they should use them.

That said, just yesterday I did point out to DDs in Susano normal that they should go check their rotations again since they managed to fail the fight's DPS check twice while having 2 (very good!) healers helping out with DPS (I was a tank holding the sword).

[Xehmnus]

That said, just yesterday I did point out to DDs in Susano normal that they should go check their rotations again since they managed to fail the fight's DPS check twice while having 2 (very good!) healers helping out with DPS (I was a tank holding the sword).

I feel like a lot of that is due to people buying the jump potions. I like the idea of people being able to use them to catch up to friends, but if you're going to go that route, at least take the time to learn the job. Can't expect to do that and be awesome at it, ya know?

As for healer dps... just do it. Provided your team doesn't completely suck on every aspect, you should have plenty of time and ability to throw some dots out at least. Definitely don't expect healers to be topping any dps charts, but every little bit helps.

[Myrhn]

Just to remind you, there are fights in this game where healer DPS is required to clear (right now at least OS3 and OS4) even when all DDs and tanks are performing optimally.

There seems to be a misconception here. No fight is required for a healer to dps, SE had clarify this a bunch of times. So the inability of clearing those raids do not fall on healers shoulder unless not enough healing is going out.

[KalinOrthos]

There seems to be a misconception here. No fight is required for a healer to dps, SE had clarify this a bunch of times. So the inability of clearing those raids do not fall on healers shoulder unless not enough healing is going out.

It's a misconception born from some ill-fitting mechanics. As it stands right now, damaging mechanics can be relatively easily healed up, and there is a lot of down time between raid damage and tank busters. This means that healers have a tendency to have nothing to do but to throw DPS out. A lot of people have misconstrued this as healers HAVE to throw out DPS.

Also, it's a misconception born form the mentality of "WE HAVE TO KILL BOSS BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE". SE does not take healer DPS into consideration when devising their raid encounters, but healers are DPSing, regardless of whether or not SE wants them to. This means higher damage going out, which in turn means boss kills come much sooner. The entire mentality for progression raiding is to get gear up to a level where you can take down a boss, but now it's how much DPS can healers and tanks throw in to get the boss down sooner.

There are two fixes to this misconception: either SE has to increase outgoing damage to the raid, making healers spend less time throwing out DPS, or they need to tune encounters around a minimum amount of healer DPS. Personally, I prefer the former over the latter.

[Maku]

.There are two fixes to this misconception: either SE has to increase outgoing damage to the raid, making healers spend less time throwing out DPS, or they need to tune encounters around a minimum amount of healer DPS. Personally, I prefer the former over the latter.

I am against both. If they implement the latter then they will turn down the damage output because they would HAVE to give healers free time to DPS. This would make us even more of a Green DPS than people already think we are.

The former is also bad because it raises the skill cap even further on raid/savage content. non-overgeared parties don't see healers having time to do anything but heal. We can get a DPS spell, usually an instant DOT, here or there but they really do through out a good deal of damage for healers and tanks that have not got the gear from those exact same fights.

[Taika]

There seems to be a misconception here. No fight is required for a healer to dps, SE had clarify this a bunch of times.

The fights are designed to be cleared without healer DPS only (1) after the party is over the item level that is available to them when the fights are added to the game (so current Savage fights aren't designed to be beaten right now, for example) and, even at that point, (2) when all DDs and tanks are doing at least 85-90% of their optimal DPS (while the non-dpsing healers are pulling way less than 50% optimal performance...). So it's extremely misleading to claim the fights are very much clearable without any healer DPS. Even Yoshi directly said that healer DPS is needed when the fights are added to the game.

Yoshida: Yes. Since all DPS jobs will be increasing up through level 60, it makes sense to have the white mage's DPS extend by a proportional amount as well. For development, such as with Bahamut's Coils, the development team assumes what the item level should be for general equipment on players when they clear a raid. They sum up the basic DPS for four DPS and tanks at that assumed item level and cut that by about 10-15% for the minimum clear DPS. Healer DPS is not taken into account when this is set.

Certainly for people who are at world's first level, their goal is to clear it at as low an item level as possible, lower than the one assumed during development. So if you look at the fight and figure out that if it's not numerically possible to clear with four DPS and tanks, you'll need to make up the gap with DPS from healers.

Source: https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125732-Game-Watch-Translation-Yoshida-Interview-on-Heavensward-%28EU-Media-Event-5-19%29

And when you have a group where your DDs and tanks aren't god-tier, you will need that healer DPS even after you've gained some item levels. And if your DDs and tanks would happen to be god-tier, it's not very likely they're letting the healers just slack and perform way below that 50% while the DDs and tanks are hitting those super high numbers. I mean, you can try to say you're expecting your tanks and DDs to be in the top 5% of FFlogs while you're in the bottom 5% and call that fair, but I don't think you'd get very far with that.

[Jxnibbles]

Why are people derailing the thread so hard though..

[Elamys]

Why are people derailing the thread so hard though..

Because the hardcore healer DPS crowd apparently can't stand people playing the game differently than them.

[Ghishlain]

Because the hardcore healer DPS crowd apparently can't stand people playing the game differently than them.

Corrected that for you.

It's pretty telling about the negative perception towards healers when you run the risk of being kicked as either playing as either a pro-DPS and no-DPS healer given how polarizing the issue is - which in turn leads to healers not wanting to play healers anymore because they could face animosity at any given moment if they are playing in a way deemed unbecoming from their fellow party members and thus risk rude comments or outright kicks from content.

I feel players from both camps need to understand healer's have a pretty diverse style of play and they should probably learn to be more respectful towards their fellow healing peers else the dev's may just force the issue.

[Jxnibbles]

This thread got derailed so hard to a Healer dps thread.. We literally have a Healer dps thread on page one of this forum.