How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

[HyoMinPark]

Sorry, I don't really understand what point you're trying to make? Are you saying that othe people shouldn't wait for someone? Could you clarify?

I think what akaneakki is saying, is that there are 3/7/23 other people with you when you go into any random duty, from 4-mans to 8-mans to 24-mans. I don't think they're saying not to wait for someone, but that everyone should take into consideration the 3/7/23 other people you are partied with. Just because 1 person wants to take things super slow doesn't mean the others do, and vise-versa. Just because someone else wants to speedrun everything doesn't mean the rest of the party is in agreement. Really, I think they're just saying that everyone should take into consideration the others they are grouped with, rather than act selfishly-- "I want to speedrun this instance, and I don't care what the other people in the party think or want to do"/"I just want to take things nice and slow, explore every nook and cranny, not care about DPS/hitting enrage, and I don't care if the others just want to get in and get out."

Basically, just try to be considerate, and work together with the people you are grouped with as a team. That's what I think they're saying.

[akaneakki]

Basically, just try to be considerate, and work together with the people you are grouped with as a team. That's what I think they're saying.

Pretty much.

[Laurawrzz]

Pretty much.

Ah okay, I understand now. Thanks HyoMinPark

Of course people with their own agenda is an issue, but it's always been an issue in MMOs. Despite these different progression rates we've always managed to cope in the past with this. Why is it such a problem now? People should be improving because they want to help, and be good, and achieve their own satisfaction through it in the way they want to do it, not because of some numbers on (what I think) is the most passive-aggressive website in the world, FFLogs. that site is one of the best things ever invented for MMOs, and also one of the worst.

Realistically, most players will want to be a part of the team, that is why they play an MMO, but they don't need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the world of parsing, both with and without their knowledge.

I have little else to say as I've vented all I need now, I guess my final words are yes, if you like parsing, please do it, but don't drag everyone else into it with you. All my logs are private on FFLogs and many of them get deleted. It's not my right to know about or judge other people on them. An in-game parser is the worst idea since a chocolate teapot, and so are enrage timers for making us all so preoccupied with this,

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Realistically, most players will want to be a part of the team, that is why they play an MMO, but they don't need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the world of parsing.

Unfortunately, a lot of people believe they deserve a clear or aren't willing to put forth the effort to improve. When you parse, you'll notice very quickly just how lazy people can get even in Savage content. Ironically, it's usually those players who are the first to complain about numbers, not the ones using ACT the way it ought to be used; for self improvement. I've had a handful of DPS whine about group DPS or poke the healers only too look and see they died five times or pulled half as much as someone else playing their job.

[SaitoHikari]

Unfortunately, a lot of people believe they deserve a clear or aren't willing to put forth the effort to improve. When you parse, you'll notice very quickly just how lazy people can get even in Savage content. Ironically, it's usually those players who are the first to complain about numbers, not the ways using ACT the way it ought to be used; self improvement. I've had a handful of DPS whine about group DPS or poke the healers only too look and see they died five times or pulled half as much as someone else playing their job.

This is actually the main reason why I adopted the use of a parser too. It's to smack down the toxic fools who have no right to be taking a dump on the entire group when it's clear that they're the ones holding everyone back in the first place.

I can count with one hand the situations where I've run into actual parsing elitists trashing a run during the past two years I've played this game (and usually, I'm actually beating such people anyway. As a BARD. But of course they're going to try to keep me out of it in the hopes that I don't knock down their hastily-built house of cards and call them out for that myself). But I can count with 10 the amount of really, really bad DPS pretending to be 'pro' only for my data to show that they have no right to be shaming anyone else in the group.

Beyond that, I only pay attention to improving my own numbers. Actually monitoring how everyone else is doing is secondary to me outside of an Alliance or Savage raid where the DPS actually does matter, but 95% of wipes is due to failing mechanics in the first place, so it's freaking pointless to nitpick over the entire group's numbers there when failing mechanics naturally lowers everyone's numbers regardless. One might say that I'm contradicting myself with this argument, but parsing is still a valuable tool for the sake of having data to monitor your own progress. Before I began parsing a year ago, I used to think I was one of the best Bards in the world. I got humbled REAL quick after I learned how to use a parser, and have since been working on optimizing my damage and support at the same time to the point where I can actually back that up now.

[Zeonsilt]

This is actually the main reason why I adopted the use of a parser too. It's to smack down the toxic fools who have no right to be taking a dump on the entire group when it's clear that they're the ones holding everyone back in the first place.

I can count with one hand the situations where I've run into actual parsing elitists trashing a run during the past two years I've played this game (and usually, I'm actually beating such people anyway. As a BARD. But of course they're going to try to keep me out of it in the hopes that I don't knock down their hastily-built house of cards and call them out for that myself). But I can count with 10 the amount of really, really bad DPS pretending to be 'pro' only for my data to show that they have no right to be shaming anyone else in the group.

Beyond that, I only pay attention to improving my own numbers. Actually monitoring how everyone else is doing is secondary to me outside of an Alliance or Savage raid where the DPS actually does matter, but 95% of wipes is due to failing mechanics in the first place, so it's freaking pointless to nitpick over the entire group's numbers there when failing mechanics naturally lowers everyone's numbers regardless. One might say that I'm contradicting myself with this argument, but parsing is still a valuable tool for the sake of having data to monitor your own progress. Before I began parsing a year ago, I used to think I was one of the best Bards in the world. I got humbled REAL quick after I learned how to use a parser, and have since been working on optimizing my damage and support at the same time to the point where I can actually back that up now.

That's a good/valid reason to run a parser. I wish there's more people like you out there.

Not really. ACT an fflogs were already common during the first tier of binding Coil.
This is how long ago? 4 years?

Yeah, should be around Coil or little earlier.
Which means people deal with "parse" users since forever.

[Laurawrzz]

Not really. ACT an fflogs were already common during the first tier of binding Coil.

This is how long ago? 4 years?

I'm speaking from the perspective of a casual-come-midcore player. I hardly ever saw talk about ACT for a long time, and now I see it almost daily.