How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Realistically, most players will want to be a part of the team, that is why they play an MMO, but they don't need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the world of parsing.

Unfortunately, a lot of people believe they deserve a clear or aren't willing to put forth the effort to improve. When you parse, you'll notice very quickly just how lazy people can get even in Savage content. Ironically, it's usually those players who are the first to complain about numbers, not the ones using ACT the way it ought to be used; for self improvement. I've had a handful of DPS whine about group DPS or poke the healers only too look and see they died five times or pulled half as much as someone else playing their job.

[SaitoHikari]

Unfortunately, a lot of people believe they deserve a clear or aren't willing to put forth the effort to improve. When you parse, you'll notice very quickly just how lazy people can get even in Savage content. Ironically, it's usually those players who are the first to complain about numbers, not the ways using ACT the way it ought to be used; self improvement. I've had a handful of DPS whine about group DPS or poke the healers only too look and see they died five times or pulled half as much as someone else playing their job.

This is actually the main reason why I adopted the use of a parser too. It's to smack down the toxic fools who have no right to be taking a dump on the entire group when it's clear that they're the ones holding everyone back in the first place.

I can count with one hand the situations where I've run into actual parsing elitists trashing a run during the past two years I've played this game (and usually, I'm actually beating such people anyway. As a BARD. But of course they're going to try to keep me out of it in the hopes that I don't knock down their hastily-built house of cards and call them out for that myself). But I can count with 10 the amount of really, really bad DPS pretending to be 'pro' only for my data to show that they have no right to be shaming anyone else in the group.

Beyond that, I only pay attention to improving my own numbers. Actually monitoring how everyone else is doing is secondary to me outside of an Alliance or Savage raid where the DPS actually does matter, but 95% of wipes is due to failing mechanics in the first place, so it's freaking pointless to nitpick over the entire group's numbers there when failing mechanics naturally lowers everyone's numbers regardless. One might say that I'm contradicting myself with this argument, but parsing is still a valuable tool for the sake of having data to monitor your own progress. Before I began parsing a year ago, I used to think I was one of the best Bards in the world. I got humbled REAL quick after I learned how to use a parser, and have since been working on optimizing my damage and support at the same time to the point where I can actually back that up now.

[Zeonsilt]

This is actually the main reason why I adopted the use of a parser too. It's to smack down the toxic fools who have no right to be taking a dump on the entire group when it's clear that they're the ones holding everyone back in the first place.

I can count with one hand the situations where I've run into actual parsing elitists trashing a run during the past two years I've played this game (and usually, I'm actually beating such people anyway. As a BARD. But of course they're going to try to keep me out of it in the hopes that I don't knock down their hastily-built house of cards and call them out for that myself). But I can count with 10 the amount of really, really bad DPS pretending to be 'pro' only for my data to show that they have no right to be shaming anyone else in the group.

Beyond that, I only pay attention to improving my own numbers. Actually monitoring how everyone else is doing is secondary to me outside of an Alliance or Savage raid where the DPS actually does matter, but 95% of wipes is due to failing mechanics in the first place, so it's freaking pointless to nitpick over the entire group's numbers there when failing mechanics naturally lowers everyone's numbers regardless. One might say that I'm contradicting myself with this argument, but parsing is still a valuable tool for the sake of having data to monitor your own progress. Before I began parsing a year ago, I used to think I was one of the best Bards in the world. I got humbled REAL quick after I learned how to use a parser, and have since been working on optimizing my damage and support at the same time to the point where I can actually back that up now.

That's a good/valid reason to run a parser. I wish there's more people like you out there.

Not really. ACT an fflogs were already common during the first tier of binding Coil.
This is how long ago? 4 years?

Yeah, should be around Coil or little earlier.
Which means people deal with "parse" users since forever.

[Laurawrzz]

Not really. ACT an fflogs were already common during the first tier of binding Coil.

This is how long ago? 4 years?

I'm speaking from the perspective of a casual-come-midcore player. I hardly ever saw talk about ACT for a long time, and now I see it almost daily.

[bswpayton]

I'm speaking from the perspective of a casual-come-midcore player. I hardly ever saw talk about ACT for a long time, and now I see it almost daily.

All in all this thread kinda didnt even answer the question I actually had, but I am glad to see most people are in support of some kinda figure to show dps. It dawned on me tho that this mmo is unique as its prob one of the few that run pc, as well as a console. And I believe thats the core of the problem, that in any other mmo this would be a non issue because you can just download the program. But with this game half of the player base is on console, this leaving us scratching our heads wanting the devs to do something about it. I dont know about in years past but Ive been playin about a year and Ive always been aware of act and this is my first multiplayer grouping mmo so Im guessin its pretty popular.

But all in all I truely believe something, should change and hope that one day it will but I doubt it. I guess the best solution is for those whom take the game seriously would be just to get on pc , I shall be returning and I hate the very day that my video card broke on me playing blinde just feels like it takes away from the game imo.

[SaitoHikari]

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Yeah, in all consideration, an official parser might be a good way to gauge balance between PC and PS3 players. If you've got some jobs with absurd piano-like complexity (like what Bard and Machinist were like during HW, and might still be like today), having an official parser supported on both platforms would also highlight the differences in performance between players of both platforms. If you've got the highest performing players only present on PC for instance, and the highest performing players on PS3 are consistently behind by like 10-20%+, then maybe the job has inherent design issues in terms of combat flow.

(Plus it'd destroy any legitimate reason to use ACT. Contrary to what most people think, it's not JUST for looking at damage numbers. People have built in ways to have it call out boss mechanics and - increasingly since the death of Guildwork, since it's no longer needed to block RMT tells due to the fact that trial accounts can't send tells anymore - the presence of hunts, among other things, which is a line I won't ever cross. Almost every competitive Bard in HW had a call-out for Warrior's Berserk to utilize Warden's Paean to easily prevent Pacification as well, pretty much all of the Bard guides in HW actively recommended using it and taught people how to set it up.)