DRK Consolidated Feedback Thread

[Freyyy]

True, 5s was the HW duration, My brain isn't fully updated.

No, it has always been 6s.

[MauvaisOeil]

No, it has always been 6s.

I'm pretty sure it was 5sec.

Edit : Checked some outdated guides, I was wrong.

[FallenWings]

I'm pretty sure it was 5sec.

Edit : Checked some outdated guides, I was wrong.

It's not your fault for not remembering its duration since the skill is never used in HW. :^)

[Accelerating]

It's not your fault for not remembering its duration since the skill is never used in HW. :^)

Never used? I beg to differ:

IB is one of the most powerful abilities in the game

- and the best way to buff DRK is to give it a similiar ability that can only be used inside Grit and leads to a DPS loss, extactly what the job needs for farm parties and speedclears.

[SyzzleSpark]

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I don't recall ever suggesting a buff to DRK based on its performance in farm parties or speed clears.

Sarcasm this poorly veiled only has any impact against an argument that actually happened. What I have stated many times is that the job is too over-reliant on TBN, an ability that by design is intended to stop mitigating damage as quickly as possible (so as to make it resource efficient, or close to it), has no cooldowns that last longer than 10 seconds, and has the most healing intensive invuln combined with the worst personal healing sustain. If we're talking about farming/speed clears, then what DRK actually needs is higher DPS and for the cooldown that constitutes the vast majority of its personal mitigation (TBN) to not be a DPS loss. In fact I'm hard pressed to think of a reason to take a DRK into an optimized parse run.

When talking about prog (and the more risk-averse playstyle that people will adopt at that time), I believe a WAR/PLD comp is still the safest option. DRK just doesn't bring anything significant to the table unless SE props it up with magic-packed raids, which is one of the complaints this thread is addressing.

You quoting my statement about IB as if it is something meme-worthy is really telling; IB really IS one of the most powerful abilities in the game, for what it does, and I'd be hard pressed to find anyone that progress-raids in this game that disagrees. Just because one waits until they're 10-20 ilvls overgeared before they start clearing and farming content doesn't make an ability like IB objectively useless.

[Accelerating]

If we're talking about farming/speed clears, then what DRK actually needs is higher DPS and for the cooldown that constitutes the vast majority of its personal mitigation (TBN) to not be a DPS loss. In fact I'm hard pressed to think of a reason to take a DRK into an optimized parse run.

I agree that DRK is probably the worst tank for speed clear. And even though TBN is a really small personal dps loss in most cases, it is easily a raidwide dps gain if the healers can spend more time casting offensive spell as a result.

When talking about prog [...] DRK just doesn't bring anything significant to the table

But TBN is huge in progression: It's an IB every 15 seconds with almost no cost. And it's a shiled (unlike IB) so it can actually safe in those dire situations where the healers are busy and can't heal you in time for the next auto attack.

We both agree that DRK somewhat lacks both offense and defense. But I don't understand why DRK needs a skill that works like IB (a defensive CD with a gigantic opportunity cost) instead of buffing the existing cooldowns (and raising his offensive capabilities in some way).

IB really IS one of the most powerful abilities in the game

But it's really not: It's a skill that is barely used outside of very specific situations and has no real usage in any optmized play. The skill wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't for the Defiance requirement.

[SyzzleSpark]

But it's really not: It's a skill that is barely used outside of very specific situations and has no real usage in any optmized play. The skill wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't for the Defiance requirement.

Suffice it to say you're going to continue taking what I say in one context and putting it in another (IB extremely powerful in prog vs. not so much in optimized runs) in spite of my best efforts to speak in plain, fluent, punctuated English. That being said, if you agree DRK is poor for optimization and lacks in offense and defense, remind us again why you're splitting hairs on this thread that is seeking to address those very issues?

[Freyyy]

We both agree that DRK somewhat lacks both offense and defense. But I don't understand why DRK needs a skill that works like IB (a defensive CD with a gigantic opportunity cost) instead of buffing the existing cooldowns (and raising his offensive capabilities in some way).

But that's exactly what we are asking for here. I don't know where you read that we wanted a skill that works like IB.