How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

[Dualgunner]

Well newsflash; having a parser won't stop that from happening. Sure if a parser shows that someone has low dps you can replace them but there's no guarantee that the replacement will be better unless it's a player you personally know.

Wow you jump straight to replacing an underperformer? That's cold. I prefer pinpointing where dps is low using logs generated by parsers and strategizing how to do better from there but it takes all kinds I guess.

A parser is also not some magical tool that turns Flanders into Dick Dastardly.

[Penthea]

Wow you jump straight to replacing an underperformer? That's cold.

I didn't say I do that...wtf...

I was just giving an example of what someone might do. Surely I don't have to explain to you that many players would straight up kick someone very quickly because of a parse result? You really think those party finder groups with "one mistake = kick" would have much patience?

[Nestama]

To Miste: I see kicks and shaming regularly - don't know what to tell you. Maybe you're just lucky

I think it might be the other way around, in that you're unlucky to see these regularly.

[Dualgunner]

Someone *might*. Many *would*. Got anything more concrete than that? Cuz if not...

Someone *might not*. Many *would not*.

Now concerning your relation to that statement, either you're in the majority of people who *might* kick an underperformer, or you're in the precious special minority that wouldn't.

[Penthea]

Someone *might*. Many *would*. Got anything more concrete than that? Cuz if not...

Anyone who has played WoW can tell you that kicking players very quickly because of a parse result does happen. It's not extremely frequent but it's far from rare.

Also considering there are party finder groups who do kick someone after one mistake, I think it's safe to say the same groups would kick after one bad parse. If they're not going to be patient about messing up one mechanic, they won't be patient about low dps.

[Dualgunner]

That is an awful lot of assumptions and reliance on third party anecdotes.

Otherwise it's a good thing we'll never have an official parser I guess. Can we have failstates removed next so those pesky "1 mistake = kick" groups gone?

[HyoMinPark]

Considering I never said that the majority is, you're the one assuming.

You said yourself that you had your fill of Coil and Alexander Savage and have no need to think that the Omega Savage community is any different from the individuals you encountered in Coil and Alexander.

I can see that further discussion with you isn't going to go anywhere. You are entitled to your opinion, but don't blame a parser because a small subset of individuals decide to use it in the wrong way.

[Penthea]

That is an awful lot of assumptions and reliance on third party anecdotes.

Lol so your logic is "if it doesn't happen in this game then it doesn't happen!" Oh my sweet summer child, how I envy your optimism. I didn't think damage meters were such a bad thing myself at first. It took years for me to fully realise they do more harm than good.

And I'm done with this thread. These pro-parser peeps can keep arguing for it until the cows come home, it's not coming to FF. The mere hint of a discussion about it causes so much drama. It would be hundred-fold if SE approved in-game parsing. I think SE would prefer to work on content most players can easily agree is desirable. Such as more dungeons, raids and story quests.

[Reynhart]

Can we have failstates removed next so those pesky "1 mistake = kick" groups gone?

If this information is written directly on the PF description, then it's easy to not join. So I guess one solution could be to allow parsers only for premade, and clearly stating that the duty will be launched with the in-game parser.
Or add this option to the list of Raid Finder parameters...which still wouldn't prevent from parsing with third party-tools...

You are entitled to your opinion, but don't blame a parser because a small subset of individuals decide to use it in the wrong way.

Problem is, it's always a "small subset of individuals" that can create huge problems and can kill a community.

[Laurawrzz]

I think it might be the other way around, in that you're unlucky to see these regularly.

That did cross my mind. Either way, for me, it's so grinding and depressing.