It is time to get a 3rd free Retainer

[Skivvy]

Fixing the armoire so that ALL gears can be stored in there, changing the glamour system so you don't need to keep the item if you are going to be upgrading gears to re-glam, changing the maximum stack size, and maybe even creating another chest that individuals can use in their apartments/houses that is just for crafting items(basically the company chest, but for individuals...if that isn't a thing already). All of those are things that would definitely help. Likelihood of said things happening is low though.

A few additional items that spring to mind for me are:

-Add a currency tab - way too many random tokens in game. EX tokens, beastman tokens, raid upgrade tokens, etc
-Let us sell or store furniture. This one may seem a bit out there, but for people like myself who are currently out of a room, I have a full page dedicated to furniture that I can do nothing with.
-Make all gear dyeable - For the love of all that is holy, stop introducing two versions of gear - one that is dyeable, one that isn't. This is more to just help reduce item bloat / and alleviate the server/memory woes they always blame. Free up the item bloat on servers, and maybe they will introduce something else that is worthwhile.
-Material bank - Now I'm really dreaming here, but go on and steal GW2's design for their material storage. Every single item that you can collect in game has a home in the bank. And they stack to an obscene amount! Doesn't interfere with your normal storage at all
-Tackle box - I've decided SE hates fishing. They lure you in (haha, get it?) with so many exciting places to fish, and just as many different kinds of bait. As an angler, it's nice to be able to stop at a fishing hole you run across in your journeys and do your thing - but you better hope that you have the 1-3 specific bait on you that work at that specific hole, otherwise you are completely SOL. But yes, bait takes up a huge amount of space.
-Glamour log! - I know this was in your list above, but we can't stress this one enough :X

[Snow_Princess]

At this point I would even be happy with paying a small one-time fee for one additional retainer per expansion, or getting them permanently from collector's editions. I will not rent a basic game function in a subscription game.

Oh geee i wonder if this is the main reason a lot of people only have 2 retainers (assuming that statistic/claim this was said, is even true, or the fact it needs to drop off people with only one job at 70 or alts when picking to address this issue or not.)

[DPZ2]

For those of you complaining that "those other MMOs have way more space", a moment of consideration.

1) You end up paying for that extra space in almost every MMO I've ever played -- on a per-character basis.

2) If Wow had a 40 slot bag, there would be 4 x 40 = 160 + 16 = 176 slots on your personal inventory and a maximum of 7 x 40 = 280 slots for stuff and another 100 slots for materials [around 550 slots] I can tell you from experience that most players never use use those 100 slots for mats, and, after Transmog no longer required a bag slot, those 280 bank slots are pretty empty these days.

We get 2 x 175 slots for retainers = 350 and (memory lapse here), about 150 slots for personal inventory. [around 500 slots]



Rather than ask for an extra retainer, you should be asking for (1) stacking of materials greater than 99 and/or (2) a glamour log so you can get rid of all that gear.

SE knows how many people fork over the cash for extra retainers. If it is 5% of the playerbase, why add another retainer in-game that isn't going to be used? If it is 45-60% of the playerbase I suspect they'd consider it.

[Celef]

Will never happen, they would lose money from all those paying extra for the retainers.

Basically this, sad, but true :/
The "servers limitation" will be magically removed only for those paying (yeah, it's a pretty selective limitation, isn't it ?)

[Naunet]

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I don't have to spend a single real life coin to expand my inventory in WoW. It has actually cost me zilch in even in-game gold to outfit my character and my maxed out personal bank in 30 slot bags (don't have Legion yet, so not sure what's higher than that), because I have a tailor (currently working on gradually crafting 30 slot bags for all my alts, too). I don't have to keep ANY gear for transmog purposes, because of the transmog log. I can store crafting mats in the crafting tab of my character bank, or in the 6-tab guild bank I was able to easily obtain with minimal effort and just a few thousand gold to unlock the tabs. All currencies go in a currency tab.

Excuse me a moment while I go count how many effective inventory slots that is.

[Snow_Princess]

For those of you complaining that "those other MMOs have way more space", a moment of consideration.

1) You end up paying for that extra space in almost every MMO I've ever played -- on a per-character basis.

2) If Wow had a 40 slot bag, there would be 4 x 40 = 160 + 16 = 176 slots on your personal inventory and a maximum of 7 x 40 = 280 slots for stuff and another 100 slots for materials [around 550 slots] I can tell you from experience that most players never use use those 100 slots for mats, and, after Transmog no longer required a bag slot, those 280 bank slots are pretty empty these days.

We get 2 x 175 slots for retainers = 350 and (memory lapse here), about 150 slots for personal inventory. [around 500 slots]



Rather than ask for an extra retainer, you should be asking for (1) stacking of materials greater than 99 and/or (2) a glamour log so you can get rid of all that gear.

SE knows how many people fork over the cash for extra retainers. If it is 5% of the playerbase, why add another retainer in-game that isn't going to be used? If it is 45-60% of the playerbase I suspect they'd consider it.

Wow has more space then this game does. Wow is not all jobs on one character, wow has a glam log, etc. WoW and other mnos don't charge RENT! for more space, some may have a 1 time fee, but not rent. Also all that do charge are F2P i believe, this is a sub model + rent when they bloat your inventory with currency etc? that is insanely shady. I do not know how it happened but 8 x 175 = not enough here while there is more then enough in wow.

We are asking for glam log, Yoshi-P does not understand what we want when asking fort that (or does not understand how the coding would work for it) He keeps saying like it would load too much data like be counted as items as in the inventory and stress servers too much, the comment makes no sense if he understood what we mean by glam log. It would be like saying our crafting log or gather log acts like items in the inventory and stress servers, it makes zero sense.

SE does not!! know! that is the thing, they do not know how many people are not paying for more retainers that need it out of the matter of principle of not paying for this shady practice. (or can't afford it)

[Dark-Saviour]

We are asking for glam log, Yoshi-P does not understand what we want when asking fort that (or does not understand how the coding would work for it) He keeps saying like it would load too much data like be counted as items as in the inventory and stress servers too much, the comment makes no sense if he understood what we mean by glam log.

I'm pretty sure he understands. The idea is that with the current infrastructure, the flag for every item unlocked or locked would have to be carried with the character since any time you instance or whatever, it duplicates your character data and creates a new copy (including all items and inventory I guess) on the instance server. The contention seems to be that would then have to also carry the full series of unlock flags as well as the reference on each piece of gear equipped or in your inventory to its respective glamour gear.

Now you could fix the system so that this isn't as much of a nightmare or find a way to mitigate it (lock glamour log to the armoire only), but the amount of work this requires is apparently enough that, despite protestations that they can't expand the inventory, he claims they'd just go ahead and expand the inventory before doing it. :-/

[Naunet]

Okay, did some tallying. I added up my personal inventory (full 30-slot bags, which I'm pretty sure are not THE biggest), my personal bank (30-slot bags again), the crafting mat storage in the personal bank, 6 guild bank tabs (not actually the max number you can have), the number of heirlooms I can store (they used to take up actual inventory space, but they now use the same "collections" UI that transmog items, mounts, pets, and toys do), the number of items I can store in the transmog log (note this is on one character, so it only counts items that a priest can equip), the number of toys I can store, and void storage.

This totals to 8,039 slots of effective inventory.

I decided not to count the currency tab, even though FFXIV puts most currencies in your inventory and WoW does not.

The difference, I think, is obvious. That's over 8,000 possible items stored, most of which cost ZERO gold to obtain and the rest only required some harvesting of materials to craft bags or a few thousand gold to unlock bank tabs. NONE of it required me to spend any more than my monthly subscription. Also note that it is incredibly easy to set up a personal guild bank for storage. I could easily add 588 more slots (6 guild bank tabs) whenever I choose simply by creating a new guild on any of my alts.

[Krotoan]

Except you tried to point out that SE doesn't have something that it should already have.

I conceded you have a point and asked for civil discussion. Dismissal of someone offhand doesn't make for very convincing back and forth. Why do you insist on being snippy about it? Just because you were right about one thing doesn't mean I'm wrong about everything and have no information to share that's useful or pertinent.

Hired retainers are what, $2 a month or so? That's not going to put a bump into any real budget compared to anything else available from their cash shop.

2 dollars a month times however many thousands of subscribers is a substantial amount of money. cash shops are one time payments, how many people buy a mount every month? you'd run out of things to buy pretty quickly. Recurring monthly payments are what keeps the servers and people who support the active game going. Cellphone companies realized that a while ago when they decided to subsidize the costs of the phones they were selling. The phones weren't actually free, the companies realized they could make far more money stretched out over 2 years than the phone was worth.

Here's a thought then: why would they try to sell something if their servers couldn't handle the load for it? Sure, you could argue that the money would go toward ensuring the server load with the increased capacity or something like that, but again, there's way more money they're getting from other sources that people actually agree is worth money.

Once again, once the money is coming in they can support the extra load. You wouldn't stock your own store with more than you thought you could sell that month. That would be frozen assets that may end up wasted money. Likewise they will not up their capacity until it's absolutely needed. I'm not sure what sources you think all this other money is coming from. Sure there's a cash shop but I don't think it makes half as much money as constant subscriptions potentially can.

Why do you keep talking about the servers as if they're made of coconuts? Yes, they're not always run at max capacity, but making a third retainer free instead of having to pay for it would use server space that should already be available wouldn't be running them at max capacity, and the servers would probably be just as stable as they are now.

Because I've run servers and administrate a statewide network. That and I know that dumping money into them first without gauging need is a poor investment even on a small scale. In addition to our space needed for items and retainer information they get DDOS attacks, network issues happen and have to be dealt with. I don't think you're considering that giving every single active account another retainer is quite a load increase. I'm NOT arguing AGAINST it, honestly I would LOVE another free retainer. I'm trying to put some perspective out there.

Demand has increased, and although some adjustments have been made such as increased inventory and armory space, it's still nowhere near enough because of more items being put into the game. Increasing inventory and armory space would put more strain on servers than simply making the third retainer free since again, that would use resources that SE should already have unless you've been paying something you actually don't have.

you are putting supply ahead of demand again. You don't surplus supply if you don't have to. A gradual uptick in people purchasing extra retainers (and it would be gradual, it would be highly unlikely everyone or even the majority of the playerbase would buy new retainers all at once.) would show SE they need to upgrade and the money would be there to justify it to investors and the devs.

What do you think would lose more money a month: people not paying a small, yet pointless monthly fee for one more retainer, or people not paying for a game subscription because of how fed up they are with not only how little inventory space is available, but that this is the only MMORPG on the market where you have to use real-life currency to rent--not pay, rent--additional storage space on top of having to pay for a subscription?

Yes, vote with your wallet PLEASE. if you feel this game isn't worth it go ahead and quit. It WILL show them that something has to be done. I don't know why you think I'm blindly supporting a company. Loyalty to a company is stupid. Even if I worked for them I'd have this viewpoint. Realize though that any time you are paying a sub to ANY game, you are essentially "renting" your storage space, it's just part of the sub.

[Skivvy]

Okay, did some tallying. I added up my personal inventory (full 30-slot bags, which I'm pretty sure are not THE biggest), my personal bank (30-slot bags again), the crafting mat storage in the personal bank, 6 guild bank tabs (not actually the max number you can have), the number of heirlooms I can store (they used to take up actual inventory space, but they now use the same "collections" UI that transmog items, mounts, pets, and toys do), the number of items I can store in the transmog log (note this is on one character, so it only counts items that a priest can equip), the number of toys I can store, and void storage.

This totals to 8,039 slots of effective inventory.

I decided not to count the currency tab, even though FFXIV puts most currencies in your inventory and WoW does not.

The difference, I think, is obvious. That's over 8,000 possible items stored, most of which cost ZERO gold to obtain and the rest only required some harvesting of materials to craft bags or a few thousand gold to unlock bank tabs. NONE of it required me to spend any more than my monthly subscription. Also note that it is incredibly easy to set up a personal guild bank for storage. I could easily add 588 more slots (6 guild bank tabs) whenever I choose simply by creating a new guild on any of my alts.

Why must you make me so sad on my birthday. lol.