5.0 Beastmaster: keep it fierce please

[Kaeoni]

My Guttler still talks to me in my dreams often times about it's insatiable thirst for blood.

I could see it being a tank or dps. I'd prefer it be a DPS. But beggars can't be choosers. Just give me Bst SE. It's my favorite job!

Just.. Keep Axes, Axes were badass. My friend.. She wants Whips, and I could see how that's sexy and all... But Axes.. Axes all day.

[Sylve]

My Guttler still talks to me in my dreams often times about it's insatiable thirst for blood.

I could see it being a tank or dps. I'd prefer it be a DPS. But beggars can't be choosers. Just give me Bst SE. It's my favorite job!

Just.. Keep Axes, Axes were badass. My friend.. She wants Whips, and I could see how that's sexy and all... But Axes.. Axes all day.

Pretty sure i posted a dual wielding axe BST suggestion a while back that involved building up a gauge (before the SB Gauges became a thing) and utilizing that gauge to temporarily mount the Beast and do tandem attacks, with the pet being a Summoner-esque pet but with Chocobo like behaviors between periods of mounting.

[Jxnibbles]

If we do get a tank in 5.0. I really hope its Magical based really tired of all these Physical based comps buffing each other. Really would like to see some more Magical based comps.

[MercureXI]

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So you'd have a dude on a pet, tanking ... ok ...

And ? oh you were finished ... ?


Again, I was talking about GAMEPLAY and you insist on posting artworks to counter that ?

Hmmmm

While I agree AGAIN that itemization would be a problem (they faced the same problem many times in XI, at some point, you gotta create stuff anyway ... BRD was the only job to use DEX stuff at first, yet they created it anyway), DNC and its abilities from XI could be very unique AND easy to translate into XIV, from haste/drain/aspir sambas up to its stances (saber and fan), and even violent flourish as its job stun / waltz for heals à la PLD / steps for debuffs utility for the group ... and so on ...

Completely the opposite of XI's BST ... which would need TONS of changes to even fit in XIV ... not to mention transition into a tank and give him unique abilities ... especially hard if you wanna "group" both the bst and its pet ! ! !

I could see BST as a DPS ... maybe ... but as a full blown tank ? Would need a LOT of changes ...

[Shippuu]

I was talking about GAMEPLAY

Gameplay is not inherently tied to any particular job. The mechanics a Paladin has can be put onto a Warrior, the mechanics a Samurai has can be put onto a Dragoon. They aren't married to the job's identity in any way. Name one GAMEPLAY mechanic that only a dancer could fulfill. Because I can guarantee whatever you think you can come up with, will be easily able to be put on any job.

DNC and its abilities from XI could be very unique AND easy to translate into XIV

Except they won't, because XIV is not XI and XI is not XIV. None of the other returning jobs kept their XI kits, what makes you think they'd do so with Dancer? Because they wouldn't.

haste/drain/aspir

AST already has haste. Every DPS has some form of Lifesteal that's the same as drain. Aspir has little use because every job that uses MP has little to no MP problems, it would be a worse version of the existing support roles skills such as Refresh. Not to mention, putting such utility onto a tank creates significant balancing issues and could lead to it being a must pick.

Even then, none of those you mentioned are required to be on a dancer outside of the name alone. Any job could have a haste, or refresh, a heal, debuffs etc.

Completely the opposite of XI's BST ... which would need TONS of changes to even fit in XIV

GOOD. Because again FFXIV =/= FFXI. It is not FFXI-2. It is it's own game and it won't copy 1:1 a job from another game.

I could see BST as a DPS ... maybe ... but as a full blown tank ? Would need a LOT of changes ...

Then the lack of creativity is your problem. But that's not surprising since all you can seem to do is repeat "Make this FFXI job the same thing in FFXIV."

[Duelle]

So you'd have a dude on a pet, tanking ... ok ...

There's a whole conversation that could be had on that. There's two approaches available for BST as a tank. One would be similar to how SCH is built with the pet serving some mitigation function. The other would be the BST riding their pet into battle as the "tank stance", combining the stats of both. I'm partial to the latter, though the low hanging fruit of why that wouldn't work is due to Roegadyn and how huge they'd be riding on top of a wolf/bear/turtle. Imagine a party with a SMN that has summoned Bahamut and the tank being a roegadyn BST riding a bear; you'd probably be able to see very little of what's going on.

The former runs into issues of pet responsiveness and how the current system could screw over a BST tanking when trying to mitigate a tank buster or high-damage phase.

I won't dent that it would take work to make BST a reality, but that's what the devs get paid for. Using XI as a template is not a good idea, since XI's BST was a mess by design and didn't have much that made it stand out aside from charm and jug pets.

On DNC: First, here.

Second, a lot of the FFXI stuff would need to be retooled for it to work here. Fan Dance would most likely be a defensive cooldown rather than a stance. Steps could go either way as debuffs or as buffs that give the DNC an advantage over whatever it is they're tanking. And I agree that Healing Waltz would be a no-brainer in terms of self healing.

[MercureXI]

snap

Oh, XI is not XIV ? Really ... Thanks for the heads up bro !

Only saying that it would need a lot less work and it would be a LOT easier to convert DNC into a tank (it basically has all the abilities / stances / etc already set, just need to tweak minor details) than converting BST into one.

Where exactly did I say that ONLY DNC could fulfill a mechanic ?

Lack of understanding is YOUR problem it seems ...

Never said "make it the same" (duh !), but more like "it's way easier to transition the job" ... because, newsflash, they don't create "existing jobs from past FFs" in XIV from the ground up ...


Anyway :

I have nothing against BST being back, just think that making BST a tank would require a lot of creativity and a lot of changes, while making it a DPS, would be way easier and maybe also a lot more fun (go crazy with attack animations for the pet)
Though I agree they could use the old "hate transfer" onto pet ability and the master buffing / healing its pet as a way for it to tank and look good doing so.

[MercureXI]

snap

Yeah good luck pinpointing safe spots during huge AoEs with a huge pet covering the area

But I like the idea of having BST back in XIV anyway, just think tanking might be a harder transition than dps, since you could be way more creative with "attacks" using its pet if you focus on the damage dealing component.


About Fan Dance, it could just be "yet another" damage down stance, since the actual skill in XI was kinda paired with Utsusemi, and XIV having no evasion-tank (yet), that could be hard to work with it ... But a cooldown could work too of course ...

[Railage]

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[MercureXI]

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Thanks for your valuable input ...