RDM's Vercure should be removed or heavily nerfed

[Llugen]

Are you high? You know that's Almost 1/2 or 3/4th of the MP pool right? All this would do is stop RDMs from ever casting verraise.


If you really want to limit verraise, just give it a system similar to battle res in WoW. Only allow a limited amount of verraise casts to be used per fight, resetting on a wipe.

We're talking about vercure. The cost of verraise is fine, it just needs to be prevented from being dualcast. That alone would balance it.

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20% HP shielding does not make up for 5 or six instant cast raises and still with MP to boot (assuming lucid dreaming, I've done this myself before), nor buffing 5 other party members. Also, if you're playing red mage properly, your damage is probably within 5% of where BLM would likely be, and that's to say nothing of its god tier mobility.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Yeah and the devs already said they're not adjusting RDM, no changes to Vercure, no changes to Verraise. It's WAI and it is intended. It's in the flavor of the class, and again, that's more important to the devs than a subjective "fairness/complexity" value the players see. Anecdotal evidence doesn't make the case for you, I'm sorry your group died so much.

Edit: If you raise six times spread throughout the fight sure, but you won't have mana to boot if they're back to back. LD is 6720 MP back, Verraise is 3600, 4 of them consumes 100% of your mana, an additional two would be 7200. Not enough mana even if you were hardcasting them.

[Nezerius]

Because it's already way stronger than anything the other casters have, and realistically that's the biggest issue with it: it makes the other ones obsolete. Why take a poor summoner when you can buff everyone else in the party? As long as tanks are always melee save for 12 seconds worth of requiescat, melee favored comp will always win. RIP BLM and SMN.

If these "strong verraises" are the difference between a group's success and failure, perhaps said group should try to die less?

You're also over exaggerating the dps contributed by Embolden.

[Llugen]

the DPS contributed by embolden > the DPS contributed by poor summoner's contagion at 10% for only itself and MAYBE the healers or ifrit egi's radiant shield for 2% (lol), and it's certainly more than is contributed by BLM, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

And no, I couldn't disagree more. "Working as intended" by developers is NOT the final word, it is up to us to tell them that things are not working properly because we are the ones that actually play the game. They WANT our feedback.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

The problem is that it is working properly, to almost everyone else but you and a few other people who think it's not fair. The DPS contribution of Embolden as gone through before in this thread is barely .75%. I'm not saying SMN doesn't need buffs, as it does. Devotion could probably be returned to a party wide buff as it was before.

[Llugen]

Please call up "almost everyone" and poll them, or don't make that claim, please. Also please more carefully re-read my last post, I think you missed the point of it.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Yeah they want our input on things that are not actually working, e.g. clunkiness with SMN, the earlier difficulty BLM had with movement, how awkward stance dancing with tanks was. Verraise is fine as is.

[Nezerius]

the DPS contributed by embolden > the DPS contributed by poor summoner's contagion at 10% for only itself and MAYBE the healers or ifrit egi's radiant shield for 2% (lol)

Let's wait and see what the SMN buffs will be.

and it's certainly more than is contributed by BLM, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

BLM already does higher personal dps compared to RDM, to make up for that.

And no, I couldn't disagree more. "Working as intended" by developers is NOT the final word, it is up to us to tell them that things are not working properly because we are the ones that actually play the game. They WANT our feedback.

Vercure is just fine as it is. Both it and verraise being able to be dualcasted is a neat niche for the RDM job. The devs have received the feedback on these two abilities, but they agree that they're working just fine.

As for "we are the ones that actually play the game", you should know that Yoshi-P plays the game just like the rest of us. He even managed to successfully PF pug v3s.

[vio_p]

ok so lets see....... usually with online games with a forum its roughly 5-10% of the player base that actually uses the forums. There is a lot of information that can be gained from the game logs which im sure they check regularly and from the current pf and df parties you can see a lot of rdm's in use. I am pretty sure this is the same scenario that occured during hw when summoner was made the aoe king and blm got shafted.

The problem is that it is working properly, to almost everyone else but you and a few other people who think it's not fair.

when i see posts like that i just think "pfft disgruntled wow players"

[PrismaticDaybreak]

The large amount of RDMs in use is far more likely to be attributed to its popularity and that new job smell rather than Verraise/Vercure. It's moot arguing about either skill, they won't be changing them.