RDM's Vercure should be removed or heavily nerfed

[AbelArchaniEA]

OP stop crying for Nerfs. They have already said that thy will balance all jobs and bring their damage in line with SAM and RDM. Im a SMN btw. Stop these posts

[Llugen]

Red mage damage is fine mostly, it just needs embolden to work like the other class's damage increase buffs (devotion and eye of the dragon) by selecting the user for 10% and one other player for 5%, and removing the ability to dualcast verraise/vercure (while fixing verraise's cast time to be in line with the other raise skills).

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

the other class's damage increase buffs (devotion and eye of the dragon) by selecting the user for 10% and one other player for 5%).

Why not have Embolden just buff the user for 5% and the other physical party members for 20%? It's supposed to be more supportive anyway, so it'll just nip it's own numbers in the slightly while making it more clearly support.

[Llugen]

Because it's already way stronger than anything the other casters have, and realistically that's the biggest issue with it: it makes the other ones obsolete. Why take a poor summoner when you can buff everyone else in the party? As long as tanks are always melee save for 12 seconds worth of requiescat, melee favored comp will always win. RIP BLM and SMN.

[Nezerius]

Because it's already way stronger than anything the other casters have, and realistically that's the biggest issue with it: it makes the other ones obsolete. Why take a poor summoner when you can buff everyone else in the party? As long as tanks are always melee save for 12 seconds worth of requiescat, melee favored comp will always win. RIP BLM and SMN.

If these "strong verraises" are the difference between a group's success and failure, perhaps said group should try to die less?

You're also over exaggerating the dps contributed by Embolden.

[Llugen]

the DPS contributed by embolden > the DPS contributed by poor summoner's contagion at 10% for only itself and MAYBE the healers or ifrit egi's radiant shield for 2% (lol), and it's certainly more than is contributed by BLM, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

And no, I couldn't disagree more. "Working as intended" by developers is NOT the final word, it is up to us to tell them that things are not working properly because we are the ones that actually play the game. They WANT our feedback.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

The problem is that it is working properly, to almost everyone else but you and a few other people who think it's not fair. The DPS contribution of Embolden as gone through before in this thread is barely .75%. I'm not saying SMN doesn't need buffs, as it does. Devotion could probably be returned to a party wide buff as it was before.

[vio_p]

ok so lets see....... usually with online games with a forum its roughly 5-10% of the player base that actually uses the forums. There is a lot of information that can be gained from the game logs which im sure they check regularly and from the current pf and df parties you can see a lot of rdm's in use. I am pretty sure this is the same scenario that occured during hw when summoner was made the aoe king and blm got shafted.

The problem is that it is working properly, to almost everyone else but you and a few other people who think it's not fair.

when i see posts like that i just think "pfft disgruntled wow players"

[Nezerius]

the DPS contributed by embolden > the DPS contributed by poor summoner's contagion at 10% for only itself and MAYBE the healers or ifrit egi's radiant shield for 2% (lol)

Let's wait and see what the SMN buffs will be.

and it's certainly more than is contributed by BLM, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

BLM already does higher personal dps compared to RDM, to make up for that.

And no, I couldn't disagree more. "Working as intended" by developers is NOT the final word, it is up to us to tell them that things are not working properly because we are the ones that actually play the game. They WANT our feedback.

Vercure is just fine as it is. Both it and verraise being able to be dualcasted is a neat niche for the RDM job. The devs have received the feedback on these two abilities, but they agree that they're working just fine.

As for "we are the ones that actually play the game", you should know that Yoshi-P plays the game just like the rest of us. He even managed to successfully PF pug v3s.

[Llugen]

Please call up "almost everyone" and poll them, or don't make that claim, please. Also please more carefully re-read my last post, I think you missed the point of it.