SE, We need to talk about Leatherworker ...

[QT_Melon]

Major point: There is no "player who needs the money," just players who want the money. And the game provides plenty if the player is willing to do the work.

You'd be correct one one level, but given the context was in response for battle classes needing money, it would mean that neither argument should have been brought up to begin with. So you nullified the earlier post more than my rebuttal. If we are arguing about how people can make money in the game then both statements have points and counterpoints. Yes you can make money as a battle class if the person to spend more time, but again path of least resistance makes it less of advantage for a battle class that would "need the money". Meaning that if a retainer can do the job better, people will use those instead and the person trying to harvest is going to lose interest due to less reward and find something else to do.

Minor point: all characters (above the required level) can have multiple retainers: two each. And every player paying the standard subscription can have multiple characters.
Therefore every player paying the standard subscription can have several retainers, no extra charge.

Not everyone is paying the standard subscription. This is why gamecards still exist. This game is played internationally. The whole reason its a pain is to prevent more "pay to win" though, if the person logs their alt into the same free company they can use the chest. This is a loophole and I'm quite sure is unintended. There's a reason the devs developed it where it was more difficult to do, they are trying to discourage multiple people logging in on one account, and using alts to funnel the funds easily. That doesn't mean people haven't figured out ways around it.

[Silverbane]

The argument you tried to make was that the mane and hair was irrelevant because you stated skins. When in fact 2 of the 3 items has to do with what I was talking about. You reached the conclusion I was off topic/deceitful by pulling from your very statement. Regardless if I mentioned the quote by whole or not it was in context to what you wrote.

So, being dishonest about what other people posted is okay with you, that's your point?
And your interpretation of what I posted is incorrect.

Nice argument from authority fallacy there.

Wrong. I merely pointed out that arguing is what I do for a living. I never stated or implied that that makes my arguments correct.
I was just providing you fair notice that you are clearly out of your league here. So much so that you don't even understand what the terms you are using mean (and therefore may be misunderstanding the terms I use as well). Stop embarrassing yourself: look them up. It's easy on the internet.

... calling me deceitful or dishonest because it is none of those things.

You post things that are not true and then, rather than admit to a mistake, defend your posting of those untrue things.
How can you do that and not be dishonest?

I won't back down when someone is trying those kind of scare tatics and making personal attacks on my character. I will stand up for myself. So you can stop it or get back to the point.

The point is that you have (apparently deliberately) been misrepresenting what I've posted, and when that is pointed out to you, you put on your mule ears and "refuse to back down" -- that is, refuse to admit your mistake. Do you think this gains you cred? Or do you think it makes you look like a petulant six year old?

[Silverbane]

Not everyone is paying the standard subscription.

Gee, that must be why I wrote "every player paying the standard subscription can have multiple characters" instead of writing "every player can have multiple characters."

Looking for reasons to argue with someone just because you made a fool of yourself in earlier responses to them is not a good idea, BTW. BTDT, 25 years ago on USENET. Grew out of it.

[QT_Melon]

Making multiple characters, and paying for retainers, is taken out of the equation since they're seen as a "pay to win" or ways to get loophole around system limits/gaming the system.

So again look at it from the perspective of a person using a single character, and the two free retainers.

I'm trying to look at it as fairly as possible for players with those base limits, and left aside any advantages I may have or others may have.. be it through multiple characters or extra paid retainers.

[Ksenia]

The whole reason its a pain is to prevent more "pay to win" though, if the person logs their alt into the same free company they can use the chest. This is a loophole and I'm quite sure is unintended. There's a reason the devs developed it where it was more difficult to do, they are trying to discourage multiple people logging in on one account, and using alts to funnel the funds easily. That doesn't mean people haven't figured out ways around it.

Free accounts voided that out as a barrier and I think the reason they don't simply add alts to friends is the same reason you can't interact in dungeons. If I log in to a world on the same data center and try and duplicate a character name it won't let me. It says the name is taken but if I switch data centers it will let me use the same name multiple times. The game doesn't see worlds as distinct, just Data Centers. If they add our alts to friends, it would scan all alts on a data center and add them, not just world alts. That opens up cross world trading, something I think none of us want. Back to the original comment though. You can multi box and have a paid and a free account on to do alt trading if you don't want to FC the transaction. You might even be able to dual box an FC of your own. I don't know what the FC restrictions are on free players.

[QT_Melon]

If I recall correctly manual multiboxing wasn't against ToS but highly discouraged. The free accounts were meant as a way for household members to play and not game the system. Otherwise it would be easy to do on a console. Since PS4 to play the game your PSN ID is linked to the FFXIV account/license. So if multiple members were on the same PS4 each needs a separate licensed copy of the game along with a separate PSN ID.

That said, this is really workarounds from intended usage. So from a single character 2 retainer standpoint. I think the manes need work but I've stated this in a related thread.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Not the point. You said "Furthermore, planning ahead only works if you've set aside a specific period to craft." I called that for the nonsense it is.

Clearly, since you won't even recognize such obvious mistakes on your part, arguing with you is a waste of my time. Welcome to my ignore list -- you're only the second person to earn a place on it.

And I explained why. You just failed to understand. If you actually did put me on your ignore list, guess I should feel honored. The fact you had to mention it publicly... is pathetic.

[Elamys]

And I explained why. You just failed to understand. If you actually did put me on your ignore list, guess I should feel honored. The fact you had to mention it publicly... is pathetic.

I've never seen someone this dramatic about a very simple request.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I've never seen someone this dramatic about a very simple request.

Right? That's what baffles me. You weren't even rude to her yet she's gone on a crusade for three pages. It's... bizarre. o.O

[Silverbane]

You are forced to suit Stormblood Hunt retainers in full Stormblood gear and that isn't cheap. Even NQ versions.

I gear them with Expert roulette dungeon drops and Verity tomestone gear. One of them currently has a higher iLvl (301) than I do.