SE, We need to talk about Leatherworker ...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

<Sigh> As if 4.0 didn't dumb down the game enough.

Don't complain that your hunter retainers aren't a class you've leveled yet, that's just poor planning. I had one of four like that (an archer, I main WHM with a side of WAR now), so I reset him to Fisher and re-leveled him.

And after putting L310 scrip gear on my retainers, I'm awash in skins, manes and hairs. And still have four stacks of ventures, the amount of GC seals you get from dungeon drops is insane.

Because going out and killing monsters or waiting hours on retainers requires so much thought? The dumbed down rebuttal doesn't work in this scenario because hunting requires you not actively be crafting nor does it make the process easier. Bumping up the numbers simply makes getting mats less tedious.

[Silverbane]

Because going out and killing monsters or waiting hours on retainers requires so much thought? The dumbed down rebuttal doesn't work in this scenario because hunting requires you not actively be crafting.

I don't wait on my retainers. I'm smart enough to anticipate what I'll need and send them out to get it before I need it.
But you don't? You wait until you need something and then send a retainer out for it?

In that case, I suggest you get rid of the wait by buying the thing you sent your retainer out off the market board and then recouping the gil by selling what the retainer brings back. No waiting required, even if you can't plan ahead.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I don't wait on my retainers. I'm smart enough to anticipate what I'll need and send them out to get it before I need it.
But you don't? You wait until you need something and then send a retainer out for it?

In that case, I suggest you get rid of the wait by buying the thing you sent your retainer out off the market board and then recouping the gil by selling what the retainer brings back. No waiting required, even if you can't plan ahead.

Your post implied a reduction in mat component would somehow equate to dumbing down crafting. Planning ahead doesn't change the two methods for getting mats have nothing to do with crafting, thus a reduction wouldn't be "dumbing it down." You'd simply be less dependent on your retainer or farming.

Nice try though.

[Silverbane]

Your post implied a reduction in mat component would somehow equate to dumbing down crafting. Planning ahead doesn't change the two methods for getting mats have nothing to do with crafting, thus a reduction wouldn't be "dumbing it down." You'd simply be less dependent on your retainer or farming.

Nice try though.

Don't blame me, you're the one that brought up the issue of time-to-get-mats, by posting:

Because going out and killing monsters or waiting hours on retainers requires so much thought? The dumbed down rebuttal doesn't work in this scenario ...

It is dumb to not plan ahead, and dumb to not realize you can "borrow" mats from the marketboard.
Yet you seem to think these two options aren't available.

[QT_Melon]

Don't blame me, you're the one that brought up the issue of time-to-get-mats, by posting:



It is dumb to not plan ahead, and dumb to not realize you can "borrow" mats from the marketboard.
Yet you seem to think these two options aren't available.

1. Not everyone has more than 2 retainers, please stop ignoring that point because it does make a difference.
2. "Borrow" is beyond operative due to market fluctuation and how many one can afford to buy at a time.

[Silverbane]

1. Not everyone has more than 2 retainers, please stop ignoring that point because it does make a difference.
2. "Borrow" is beyond operative due to market fluctuation and how many one can afford to buy at a time.

1) Everyone has two, and if your concern is Leatherworker, they can both be hunters. And that's enough. I have three hunters, and they keep me well stocked in fleece, furs, hides, and meat.

2) It's always a handicap to not have gil, but anyone who made it to L70 without accumulating gil has only themselves to blame.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It is dumb to not plan ahead, and dumb to not realize you can "borrow" mats from the marketboard.
Yet you seem to think these two options aren't available.

Price fluctuation is a thing you know. You're not guaranteed to sell those mats at the same price you paid. In fact, it's less likely once you account for taxes. Furthermore, planning ahead only works if you've set aside a specific period to craft. A lot of people decide to do it on the fly. Regardless, you're still arguing a strawman. My post was a direct response to your accusation buffing drop rates somehow "dumbs down" crafting. And you've dodged it every single reply thereafter.

Since you're so much smarter. It should be a simple answer, non?

Leading with a personal attack. What do you think that accomplishes? Do you think it helps you win the argument? Do you think it makes me sad, because you think I care about the opinion what some internet stranger who has no clue who I am? LOL. No, not a bit.

Perhaps the same as passive aggressive personal attacks? I find rather amusing you take offense to someone supposedly taking a jab at you but have no qualms doing it yourself.

[Silverbane]

Price fluctuation is a thing you know. You're not guaranteed to sell those mats at the same price you paid.

True, you might make money, you might lose. Wow, risk in a game, imagine that. But opportunity cost is a thing, too, you know.

Furthermore, planning ahead only works if you've set aside a specific period to craft. A lot of people decide to do it on the fly.

Nonsense. I have no idea when I'm going to craft new gear to get my gatherer retainers to 1150 gathering, but I know I'm going to, and I know what mats I'll need to do so, so I've planned ahead without any concept of a "specific period." My retainers are out gathering those mats even as I write this. They are also restocking any mats I use that I am getting low on, even though I may not actually need, say, Kudzu root, any time soon. I might be wasting a few ventures, but I don't care.

My post was a direct response to your accusation buffing drop rates somehow "dumbs down" crafting. And you've dodged it every single reply thereafter.

And now you're just making things up. I made no such accusation.

Since you're so much smarter. It should be a simple answer, non?

Whether I'm smarter or not, at least I'm not incoherent. You haven't presented a question, so what is there supposed to be a simple answer too, exactly?

Perhaps the same as passive aggressive personal attacks? I find rather amusing you take offense to someone supposedly taking a jab at you but have no qualms doing it yourself.

You don't see the difference between criticizing a post and insulting the person who posted it?
Sad.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Nonsense. I have no idea when I'm going to craft new gear to get my gatherer retainers to 1150 gathering, but I know I'm going to, and I know what mats I'll need to do so, so I've planned ahead without any concept of a "specific period." My retainers are out gathering those mats even as I write this. They are also restocking any mats I use that I am getting low on, even though I may not actually need, say, Kudzu root, any time soon. I might be wasting a few ventures, but I don't care.

Good for you? As previously noted, not everyone has multiple battle retainers nor does this have any impact on whether mob drop rates are exceedingly low. I send mine out constantly too. It's still tedious needing so much of a single base mat.

And now you're just making things up. I made no such accusation.

<Sigh> As if 4.0 didn't dumb down the game enough.

Don't complain that your hunter retainers aren't a class you've leveled yet, that's just poor planning. I had one of four like that (an archer, I main WHM with a side of WAR now), so I reset him to Fisher and re-leveled him.

And after putting L310 scrip gear on my retainers, I'm awash in skins, manes and hairs. And still have four stacks of ventures, the amount of GC seals you get from dungeon drops is insane.

You gave no further context nor did you quote anyone else. Therefore, it's hard not to infer your post in a thread about mob drop rates to be precisely how I responded.

Whether I'm smarter or not, at least I'm not incoherent. You haven't presented a question, so what is there supposed to be a simple answer too, exactly?

Apparently, you are. Good to see that passive aggressiveness hasn't simmered down yet.

You don't see the difference between criticizing a post and insulting the person who posted it?
Sad.

You didn't criticize. You took jabs at the perceived poor planning of other crafts, avoided the very response you were criticized for and immediately cried when someone called you "ignorant" for continuously missing the point. But yes, we're the ones with reading comprehension issues. Sad, indeed.