Tank Scaling still a massive issue

[Klongol]

people, as usual, are jumping to conclusions. They see only 2 str difference between 20 item levels and immediately extrapolate that to mean that the sky is falling... again.

The order of events are as follows:

- Tanks focus on DPS for an entire expansion, mainly due to poor savage raid design / overtuning
- 4.0 releases and SE makes it so STR accessories are not usable by tanks 61 and up.
- Tanks get mad at this and don't like their deeps, also claim they can't hold threat without STR accessories. They continue to wear the i270 STR accessories.
- SE patches threat - increasing it a lot
- Tanks STILL use i270 weapons, state that it's because of some alleged meta they have to follow. Many healers lament.
- Tanks suggest, among other things, adding STR to Fending accessories, even admit that lower STR than DPS classes is fine.
- SE patches and adds STR to fending accessories.
- Tanks once again complain that they think it's not enough.

Come ON people. We have no idea how they will scale STR on future accessories. We only know what we can see. Stop complaining for a goddamn minute. Hell, YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED!

As others have posted, it looks like it will take hundreds of item levels for the differences people are assuming will occur are felt... if ever. People are not considering how secondary stats play into it. People are STILL saying they will use STR accessories...

I just don't understand this Tank forum sometimes =/

[Falar]

people, as usual, are jumping to conclusions. They see only 2 str difference between 20 item levels and immediately extrapolate that to mean that the sky is falling... again.

The order of events are as follows:

- Tanks focus on DPS for an entire expansion, mainly due to poor savage raid design / overtuning
- 4.0 releases and SE makes it so STR accessories are not usable by tanks 61 and up.
- Tanks get mad at this and don't like their deeps, also claim they can't hold threat without STR accessories. They continue to wear the i270 STR accessories.
- SE patches threat - increasing it a lot
- Tanks STILL use i270 weapons, state that it's because of some alleged meta they have to follow. Many healers lament.
- Tanks suggest, among other things, adding STR to Fending accessories, even admit that lower STR than DPS classes is fine.
- SE patches and adds STR to fending accessories.
- Tanks once again complain that they think it's not enough.

Come ON people. We have no idea how they will scale STR on future accessories. We only know what we can see. Stop complaining for a goddamn minute. Hell, YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED!

As others have posted, it looks like it will take hundreds of item levels for the differences people are assuming will occur are felt... if ever. People are not considering how secondary stats play into it. People are STILL saying they will use STR accessories...

I just don't understand this Tank forum sometimes =/

Well......maybe that is because you are a DPS.

Lowering our attack power to be FAR lower than it used to be relative to the DPS roles did massively effect enmity.

In 3.xx, assuming I wasn't outgeared, I never had problems holding enmity after an initial aggro combo. When I hit 70 in SB it was unreal how Samurai and Red mage could climb the charts on me. No one wants to use diversion (because "lul, don't be so bad tank"). Putting i270 slaying accessories changed all that, and felt damn good doing it.

STR on fending accessories needed to happen. I would have preferred this to the lame ass 3.xx "fix" but this is too low. They need to have 50% of the VIT to start out and then go up from there if necessary. This was just too low of a point to start from. It is like they don't even try.

[Reynhart]

- Tanks get mad at this and don't like their deeps, also claim they can't hold threat without STR accessories.

Which is probaly because most of them refuse to use their tank stance and/or their enmity combo without having the skill to pull that properly.