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  1. #91
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    Inori Yuzuriiha
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    My bad I think i included pvp changes
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  2. #92
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    Susubi Subi
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Woo now we have another great card added

    Balance was changed so ast would stop fishing for balance card and ignoring all other cards because it was way stronger then the other cards

    Now all we need is se to combine spire and ewer into 1 card then i be super happy

    If they change that as well then every card will be useful
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  3. #93
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    Saito Hikari
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    Sargatanas
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    Now the one big obstacle to achieving actual balance among the healers (along with avoiding the design implications it meant for future-proofing new content) has been eliminated. And they managed to make Spear worth using on top of that. A win for good design.

    Now they just need to keep a close eye on what the buffs actually mean for the other two healers, and all will be good.
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    Last edited by SaitoHikari; 07-18-2017 at 05:53 PM.

  4. #94
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    Susubi Subi
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Also they can actually make ast even better with their card mechanics tbh

    Turn spread into a skill that turns the card ur holding into an aoe version of that card

    Turn royal road into a skill that turns ur card ur holding into an enhance version of that card

    For example

    You pull a bole u can either throw and enhance bole on the tank or throw an aoe bole to the raid

    I just want to stop ast burning cards for royal road effects and instead play the card to the current situation

    With this change ast would be in a perfect position with their card mechanics <3
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  5. #95
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    Stella Novalis
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    Behemoth
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    Scholar Lv 60
    I really don't mean to rain on your parade, seeing as how balancing balance was necessary, but how exactly has balance been achieved within the healing community? This was just another AST buff.
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  6. #96
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    Susubi Subi
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahki View Post
    I really don't mean to rain on your parade, seeing as how balancing balance was necessary, but how exactly has balance been achieved within the healing community? This was just another AST buff.
    I think the other healers just need someone to blame for their own glaring job issues

    unfortunately they pick on the AST yet again.... in HW we was neglected and was even banned from party finders

    Now that AST been major fixed to be in line with the other healers they do not like it as they are always "worried" about their precious throne
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  7. #97
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    Zugz Zwang
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    Behemoth
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    I think the other healers just need someone to blame for their own glaring job issues

    unfortunately they pick on the AST yet again.... in HW we was neglected and was even banned from party finders

    Now that AST been major fixed to be in line with the other healers they do not like it as they are always "worried" about their precious throne
    This...

    All day this....
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  8. #98
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahki View Post
    I really don't mean to rain on your parade, seeing as how balancing balance was necessary, but how exactly has balance been achieved within the healing community? This was just another AST buff.
    The balance still isn't quite there, but nerfing Balance was one big step towards it. As it was, it is literally impossible to buff the other two healers to a level that could actually compete with the 20% Balance without introducing a massive wave of power creep that would wash over every aspect of the game.

    Sure, Astrologians gained Spear, but a party crit buff isn't a unique concept, several other jobs have access to that sort of thing too. It's a good quality of life change for Astrologians, seeing as the old card was completely useless aside from being Royal Road fodder though. 20% Balance however was something that no other job can replicate (and if they could, nowhere near as reliably as AST could even with all the RNG factored in), and it's a hugely important distinction to make when talking about game design. Even 10% Balance is still very powerful in the grand scheme of things, but it's no longer this insurmountable hurdle for the devs to consider when designing future instances.
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  9. #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    I think the other healers just need someone to blame for their own glaring job issues

    unfortunately they pick on the AST yet again.... in HW we was neglected and was even banned from party finders

    Now that AST been major fixed to be in line with the other healers they do not like it as they are always "worried" about their precious throne
    You really need to take off the rose-tinted glasses. Your job is stepping on way too many toes. You can heal for as much if not more than a WHM, you have shields that are stronger and more efficient, and to top it all off you have the cards. You are not in line with the other healers, you are above them.
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  10. #100
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    Susubi Subi
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    I really feel sorry for the developers to balance healers and tank roles.....because people will complain because 1 tank or healer is used more

    (Even know u can level all jobs so why the complaints)

    So in future i think SE will NOT bring a new tank or healer in future because its extreamly stressful to make them perfectly balanced which cannot be done

    u will always have people complain with numbers etc which most likely be minor differences because of their "pet peevs"

    People who complain should be given the a job to balance all the jobs they complain about.... i bet within a week they would quit due to "stress"
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