SE, what is the vision and identity of Scholars?

[Starflake]

The identity of Scholars are this. It's easy.

They are highly technical powerful healers. The most powerful healers in the game.

Now I have to tell you. I'm a staunch Astro main. I have been since day 1 of 3.0 but I play all 3 healers. On a endgame level.

Now Scholar is incredible. It's so powerful and it's healing utility is so robust. But i understand why people struggle with it. Disipation and Fey Union are just brilliant.

I can't think of any negative about the job.

Surely you are trolling? Luckily, SE do know somewhat where the issues lie. Scholar does not have powerful healing at all. Disipation and Fey Union have terrible synergy and to be honest, Disapation isn't all that useful. There are plenty of negatives about the job.

[duskfall]

jesus the wall of text is hard on my eyes.

[BloodPact]

Noct Astro does have a regen, its just on a 2 minute cooldown.
That pretty bubble... yeah, it does more than mitigate. It also applies Wheel of Fortune, which is a 172 potency regen for nocturnal sect astro, that lasts 15-40s (depending on channeling time and optionally extending it with celestial opposition). It heals for 50% more than Eos' whispering dawn does, and that's if you use fey illumination along with rouse first. It does have twice the cooldown of Whispering Dawn, but typically heals for more overall.

So you're telling me that Nocturnal Astrologian "has" HoTs because they have an ability that they can use every 2 minutes, that they need to channel, is tied to the server tick to apply (so in many cases the HoT isn't applied instantly upon use and we need to wait for it to stick) and is centered around the caster, so you need to run up to the melee (tank), channel it, then run back? You're grasping at straws.

I use this all the time in large pulls in dungeons paired with Celestial Opposition to have more uptime spamming Gravity. But if you think this is a viable way to HoT in Nocturnal you're deluding yourself.

[Reilyn]

The identity of Scholars are this. It's easy.

They are highly technical powerful healers. The most powerful healers in the game.

Now I have to tell you. I'm a staunch Astro main. I have been since day 1 of 3.0 but I play all 3 healers. On a endgame level.

Now Scholar is incredible. It's so powerful and it's healing utility is so robust. But i understand why people struggle with it. Disipation and Fey Union are just brilliant.

I can't think of any negative about the job.

You are such a liar, or a troll. I dearly hope for your own sake you're not dumb enough to believe yourself.

[Anko1400]

My main problem with SCH seems to be well... Having potent healing. Sure WD is a great regen aoe but its on a 60 second CD and idom is 30s along with emergency tactics which gives SCH little to no aoe heals and I understand SCH isn't supposed to be top hps but Jesus Christ Yoshi, physhick can only do so much... Adol costs too much mp and isn't worth it without a crit and succor eats your mp like a fat betch at a bake sale.

[Riyshn]

So you're telling me that Nocturnal Astrologian "has" HoTs because they have an ability that they can use every 2 minutes, that they need to channel, is tied to the server tick to apply (so in many cases the HoT isn't applied instantly upon use and we need to wait for it to stick) and is centered around the caster, so you need to run up to the melee (tank), channel it, then run back? You're grasping at straws.

I use this all the time in large pulls in dungeons paired with Celestial Opposition to have more uptime spamming Gravity. But if you think this is a viable way to HoT in Nocturnal you're deluding yourself.

...why would you run back out? Why are you not already in melee range on the boss's butt to autoattack?

Most of the same things can be said about the SCH's "regens", too. Whispering Dawn is only up once a minute, and both it and Embrace (as well as all the other fairy skills) are held by the Pet AI, which is well known for doing what it wants when it wants, no matter what you try to tell it.

[BloodPact]

...why would you run back out? Why are you not already in melee range on the boss's butt to autoattack?

And here I was thinking the poster above was the one grasping at straws.

Most of the same things can be said about the SCH's "regens", too. Whispering Dawn is only up once a minute, and both it and Embrace (as well as all the other fairy skills) are held by the Pet AI, which is well known for doing what it wants when it wants, no matter what you try to tell it.

None of what I said about Collective Unconscious is applicable to Scholar. If you had to place the pet in basically melee range of the tank for it to heal him with Embrace or Whispering Dawn then it would be a different story. Something you can use as a similarity is your new lv70 ability, and oh, look at that, the range is getting increased on Tuesday (because it was trash); and that is just the pet moving, not the player. If you have problems with your pet AI/responsiveness then that is a whole different topic.

[Riyshn]

And here I was thinking the poster above was the one grasping at straws.



None of what I said about Collective Unconscious is applicable to Scholar. If you had to place the pet in basically melee range of the tank for it to heal him with Embrace or Whispering Dawn then it would be a different story. Something you can use as a similarity is your new lv70 ability, and oh, look at that, the range is getting increased on Tuesday (because it was trash); and that is just the pet moving, not the player. If you have problems with your pet AI/responsiveness then that is a whole different topic.

No, seriously, why aren't you in melee range for the autoattacks? I have never understood why more healers/casters don't do this. It is literally free damage, and many AoEs actually take less movement to dodge at that range.

And it... does, actually. Not the range thing so much, true. But it's our only regen and it's locked behind a CD, and the pet delay is similar and in fact usually worse than the delay before Wheel of Fortune applies.

[Mikaeus_The_Lunarch]

Maybe it's because I didnt touch sch at all in HW, but after getting it to 70 and farming Susano for a while sch seems fine. There are some minor gripes like fey union taking forever to work, but overall I'm liking sch quite a bit.

And again, I didn't play sch in HW so I don't have much to compare my experience to

[Reilyn]

Maybe it's because I didnt touch sch at all in HW, but after getting it to 70 and farming Susano for a while sch seems fine. There are some minor gripes like fey union taking forever to work, but overall I'm liking sch quite a bit.

And again, I didn't play sch in HW so I don't have much to compare my experience to

As a person who played, and raided as SCH since 2.0, the experience is that everything that made the job good, fun, and gave it an interesting niche was nerfed.

MP sustain- nerfed
Fairy- nerfed twice
AOE dps- nerfed into the ground so hard that WHMs and ASTs are better AOE dps now

The complaint at the moment isn't a question of SCH being unable to heal content. It's just the utter lack of identity/niche. Nocturnal sect AST steps on SCHs toes across the board in just about every meaningful category as a healer with the exception of OGCD healing.

SCH now has an identity crisis because SE spent literally years buffing AST since gordias savage, and nerfed everything SCH was known for in 4.0.